Easy folds vs. weak-tight

[tpir]

Two quick hands from a 5/10 6-max session:

Hand 1:
Folded to fairly LAG button who (obviously) raises. I 3-bet A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] out of the SB, BB folds, button calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet, he raises, I [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

Hand 2:
Folded around to me in the SB and I raise with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Aggro BB 3-bets and I call.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I check, he bets, I [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

I feel like I am just getting totally pwned if I lay these down... but calling straight down seems like a losing play too. Is there any way to play these hands well OOP and not get totally whored out?

Ugggh,
tpir

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Hand 1 really depends on how aggressive this guy is. If he's really aggressive, I would call down from here, but if the turn is a 9s, Im probably check/folding.

Hand 2. I dont know what youre thinking about, you still have a pretty decent hand. This is SB vs BB. The BB could easily have A5 here. I would check/call down from here against an unknown.

[isucksomuch]

I call... and donk the turn if I hit or blank comes. I fold to turn raise.

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Two quick hands from a 5/10 6-max session:

Hand 1:
Folded to fairly LAG button who (obviously) raises. I 3-bet A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] out of the SB, BB folds, button calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet, he raises, I [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

Hand 2:
Folded around to me in the SB and I raise with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Aggro BB 3-bets and I call.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I check, he bets, I [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

I feel like I am just getting totally pwned if I lay these down... but calling straight down seems like a losing play too. Is there any way to play these hands well OOP and not get totally whored out?

Ugggh,
tpir

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[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I call... and donk the turn if I hit or blank comes. I fold to turn raise.

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If anyone wants a lesson on what not to do against a lag, please read the above statement.

[Thorv]

Haha, ouch... but necessary.

[Dendrite]

Hand 1:

85%: Peel and fold UI
15%: Call down UI, fold if spade hits

[isucksomuch]

I guess im thinking level 2 and represent a pair when the turn hits blank(non flush/straight).Ofcourse I dont fold when I hit a pair, I call down. So much to learn!!!!

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I call... and donk the turn if I hit or blank comes. I fold to turn raise.

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If anyone wants a lesson on what not to do against a lag, please read the above statement.

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[TheHip41]

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I guess im thinking level 2 and represent a pair when the turn hits blank(non flush/straight).Ofcourse I dont fold when I hit a pair, I call down. So much to learn!!!!

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I call... and donk the turn if I hit or blank comes. I fold to turn raise.

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If anyone wants a lesson on what not to do against a lag, please read the above statement.

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2nd level thinking doesn't work against a LAG, they just raise. The don't think, "well, he is betting the turn to stop me from getting a free card, which means he has a pair, which means I am losing, so I won't raise"

Here's what he thinks, "My turn, raise button"

[isucksomuch]

one of my biggest leak! I forget and start semi bluffing againsts retards and end up breaking even after a good 2 hour session. LOLOL

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I guess im thinking level 2 and represent a pair when the turn hits blank(non flush/straight).Ofcourse I dont fold when I hit a pair, I call down. So much to learn!!!!

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I call... and donk the turn if I hit or blank comes. I fold to turn raise.

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If anyone wants a lesson on what not to do against a lag, please read the above statement.

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2nd level thinking doesn't work against a LAG, they just raise. The don't think, "well, he is betting the turn to stop me from getting a free card, which means he has a pair, which means I am losing, so I won't raise"

Here's what he thinks, "My turn, raise button"

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[Luke]

Hand 1 I usually peel one more and fold unimproved against all but the laggiest.

Hand 2, here are a couple of PokerStoves to chew on:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 50.0379 % 49.82% 00.22% { 88 }
Hand 2: 49.9621 % 49.74% 00.22% { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A5o+, KTo+, QJo }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.6110 % 39.31% 00.30% { 88 }
Hand 2: 60.3890 % 60.09% 00.30% { 44+, A5s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KJo+, QJo }

From this point in the hand, if you just blindly called down and he bet every street, you're getting 11-5. So, obviously, if his range is as wide as the first PStove run, then calling down is prudent, assuming an ace doesn't hit.

And as long as he doesn't play position very well, calling down against the more moderate hand range when no ace hits is also profitable.

Luke