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09-30-2006, 03:33 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
am i missing something here?
im sure there will be plenty of workarounds for DEPOSITING money INTO pokersites. the worry for me is our US BANKS blocking CASHOUTS from neteller or pokersites issuing checks. isnt this more of an issue? 
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#42
09-30-2006, 03:36 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
The bill says that sites can't accept transfers for unlawful gambling. But it says that betting on horses is okay. So why can't sites just set up a horse betting section, we deposit to that, and then transfer it to the poker room? Same way Eurobet handled things with the sportsbook.
fwiw I'm sure someone's already brought this up, but I've yet to read any discussion.
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#43
10-02-2006, 01:01 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
It seems to me like Neteller (or any other) are not required. I just need an offshore bank account (which I use for all my good and bad foreign investments) who will take my account. They will then send me a wonderful Visa bank card to withdraw my money. All this is in existence today. Then I just need an international ISP with a secure connection to do my secure banking (or poker playing). Since the violators of the law - the bank and the ISP - are in a place that approves and caters to such activities they will be safe. That leaves me as the only criminal left that can be prosecuted. I think this is doubtful as going after the players has an awful big brother feel that politicians are likely to stay away from. Certainly the industry will have time for a counter-offensive lobbying effort before that happens. So, the government’s last resort will be to outlaw offshore accounts and / or access to ISPs in these countries. That would be difficult and would likely give the WTO lawsuit even more power as it would be a restriction on banking and internet service providing. The ISP is likely to be much less of a worry because it would be difficult for the government to keep up trying to track them down.
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#44
10-02-2006, 01:51 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
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[censored] FT and party and stars. Who cares? We only want big sites that attract lots of fish. That most likely will be new sites and poker site world will change a lot. My prediction is Bodog could be such a big player [/ QUOTE ] Hopefully if it is going to be Bodog, they fix their software. If I play for more than 1 hr, I start to get epileptic seizures.
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#45
10-02-2006, 02:32 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
I thought this might be a good option. It's HSBC bank so a well known and reputable name here in the UK. It's their offshore branch on the Island of Jersey (UK owned Island). The account can be in Pound's, Dollar's or Euro's and it comes with a debit card so funding/withdrawing from of the online poker sites would be easy and you could infact not bother with Neteller as European debit cards can have more money refunded to them than was deposited in the first place, so there is no issue in Europe with withdrawing money to your debit card and thus your bank. The only snag is the balance of the bank account has to be kept at a minimum of £5,000 or $10,000 otherwise they will charge you £15/month. It's fairly easy to apply you just fill in a form on line, print it out, sign it and send it off I presume with some form of I.D
Anyway take a look: http://www.offshore.hsbc.com/1/2/int...e-bank-account
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#46
10-29-2006, 07:44 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
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The bill says that sites can't accept transfers for unlawful gambling. But it says that betting on horses is okay. So why can't sites just set up a horse betting section, we deposit to that, and then transfer it to the poker room? Same way Eurobet handled things with the sportsbook. fwiw I'm sure someone's already brought this up, but I've yet to read any discussion. [/ QUOTE ] Has this been discussed?
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#47
10-29-2006, 09:26 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
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what about Party's American CEO? What about Lee Jones? Do you think these people - or any 'worldly exec' - don't care about coming to the US EVER AGAIN? Ayre may be an exception, b/c as the owner and CEO, the guy is in a great spot. however, various other executives are not in his position. [/ QUOTE ] Lee Jones works for PokerStars, PokerStars still accepts U.S. players, what's your point? A decision by the U.S. to prosecute a poker site employee will not depend on the ewallet site they use. What Bluff proposes is an issue for Neteller not the poker sites. Can you see why now?
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#48
10-29-2006, 09:56 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
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They won't have a reason to block neteller if they don't directly link to a poker site. That is the job of the second transfer e-wallet site which is based in Costa Rica or a similarly friendly country. [/ QUOTE ] this is an assumption. and a really niave one.
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#49
10-30-2006, 07:28 PM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
Will not work.
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#50
10-31-2006, 12:10 AM
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Re: How Bout These \"Loopholes/End Runs\"? (poker sites take note)
Phil123,
HSBC denied me for this account because of my profession and income level (that's all they said). I am a pro poker player (and supplied evidence) and I make well over 6 figures a year. I've found another solution but I'm not getting into details. All I'll say is open an offshore account in person.
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