1st hand wsop. Some donk goes all in, u got AA. Do u call ???

[Pokerfarian]

Not at all serious, messing around because these stupid ridiculous posts annoy me

[Dunkman]

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Not at all serious, messing around because these stupid ridiculous posts annoy me

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[11377]

http://www.pocketfives.com/AF4C346C-...1A213B615.aspx

Recently i played a $550 buyin live tournament with an incredibly weak field of 61 players. It was comprised of wall street douches and real estate hot shots. I got into the game by meeting the vice president of the real estate company at the prestigious country club/ golf club i work at . I had dealt cards for their cash games at the club but was never able to play cause i was working. This really sucked because they were horrendous, just rich guys having fun, obvi nothing wrong with that but i was just praying to get involved. I had talked with this VP afterwards about poker and he was impressed by some points i made regarding the game and the blatant tells of his friends. He invited me to a tourny he was going to host and even though the buyin is out of my bankroll i could not pass on the opportunity.

So i get to this guys mansion and get the specs on the tourny 10k in chips blinds 25/50 20 min levels top 7 to cash, top 3 was 11k, 7k, 5k def my goal. Within first levels guys are bouncing quickly not understanding how many chips they have relative to blinds. Fast forward to 17 people left blinds at 1k/2k and i have about 55k. To my right are both chip leaders both over 80k and a guy that looks to have around same as me. One of the guys over 80 k was a player other CL was drunk and outdrawing big time. No one was stealing blinds and i managed to build my stack this way as well as doubling up with a set. The other table had barely any chips in play and i knew i had a shot to take it down.

Now the madness. 2nd position guy goes all in for about 20k, followed by drunk CL as he announces proudly im all in too (+80k), now the guy with about as many chips as me goes into the tank after about a min he says all in, to which the other big stack (good player) insta all ins. Every one is standing up laughing wondering what the hell is going on as everyone at the place gathers around the table. Im in the small blind and look down at A A and stop myself to think about the situation. i put the first guy on 99 or 1010 he had been getting beat on and i ruled out a big pair based on how fast he moved in as well as the fact that he didnt elect to raise or limp. The drunk guys hand range was very vast to me but for him to nonchalantly say all in i thought he had to have AK but i wouldnt be surprised to see AQ. Now the guy with as many chips as me i felt had a legitimate decision that at best involved JJ i didnt see him taking this long with QQ as he wasnt a great player. And there was no doubt in my mind that the only solid player had KK or the other 2 Aces.

Im thinking to myself is it possible to fold this? im the best player at the table i have almost 30bb's and 3/4 people that are all in in the hand could potentially knock me out! After about 2 min i fold convincing myself i can find a better spot than the situation offered. the cards are flipped over and my reads are pretty close. player 1 = 88, drunk maniac AK, player 3= 1010 (yuck), and the good player KK. the board finishes 10 J 5 6 2 and player 3 triples up i feel good about myself but should I? I end up making a good run at FT falling short in 4th for $3600 when my top 2 all in on flop is rivered by a flush. But i couldnt stop thinking about that hand and got mixed opinions from my friends.


Now i have no idea the math of this maybe someone can tell me assuming my reads are correct. Im just wondering everyones insight and if my logic makes any sense or if im just retarded and i should put them in 100% of time with AA

appreciate opinions Grave Danger

[Willd]

Wow that's awful. The reads are also fairly rediculous, putting a player on just 1 or 2 hands because of a preflop shove.

Assuming ranges fairly close to his reads however he has about 58% equity in a 4 way pot. Even if I put tighter ranges on it, including only AA for the last all in then he's never worse than ~33% equity 4 ways, and most of that is splitting with the other AA. If you think you can get it in better than that then you're obviously very deluded.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.283% 55.27% 03.01% 21631437828 1177794894.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 17.080% 14.77% 02.31% 5782210812 902130966.00 { KK+ }
Hand 2: 12.086% 11.79% 00.30% 4614142464 115778622.00 { JJ-99, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 3: 12.551% 11.76% 00.79% 4603040856 308847846.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }

[ChipSpeak]

How is this [censored] thread this long? I have hands I stu over for days and don't get this response.

Hey I know, how bout 8 players all go all in before us.. what do we do then?

If you ever fold AA preflop, it's not a sat, remove your man card and tear it in pieces, +EV folks, this is retarded.

[ChipSpeak]

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Even considering calling with AA when everyone else has gone in is awful -- it's absolutely horrific & you're almost certain to bust out. It's even -cEV:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 06.133% 01.39% 04.76% 227713 778695.63 { AA }
Hand 1: 06.132% 01.39% 04.76% 227608 778698.63 { AA }
Hand 2: 14.942% 14.97% 00.01% 2451103 847.13 { 7s6s }
Hand 3: 15.868% 15.90% 00.01% 2602963 847.13 { 9d8d }
Hand 4: 15.603% 15.63% 00.01% 2559605 847.13 { JcTc }
Hand 5: 13.219% 13.24% 00.01% 2168345 847.13 { 5h4h }
Hand 6: 11.655% 11.67% 00.01% 1911688 847.13 { 22 }
Hand 7: 16.447% 16.48% 00.01% 2698161 847.13 { KK }

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Lol someone beat me to it... sorry, read title, flamed...

[ChipSpeak]

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Now i have no idea the math of this maybe someone can tell me assuming my reads are correct. Im just wondering everyones insight and if my logic makes any sense or if im just retarded and i should put them in 100% of time with AA

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Umm no way, you don't know the math... well lets see... there are 168 hands we're crushing, .5 hands we're tied with...

Throw that at a grade 3 math student in apples and bananas and see what they say.

[Bond18]

Wow, i really need to put those articles in the anthology if people are still going to ask questions like these.

I swear to God if anyone ever posts a hand here where they fold AA pre in a non satellite situation it's a perma ban. That threat is for your own good people.

[Sherman]

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Even considering calling with AA when everyone else has gone in is awful -- it's absolutely horrific & you're almost certain to bust out. It's even -cEV:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 06.133% 01.39% 04.76% 227713 778695.63 { AA }
Hand 1: 06.132% 01.39% 04.76% 227608 778698.63 { AA }
Hand 2: 14.942% 14.97% 00.01% 2451103 847.13 { 7s6s }
Hand 3: 15.868% 15.90% 00.01% 2602963 847.13 { 9d8d }
Hand 4: 15.603% 15.63% 00.01% 2559605 847.13 { JcTc }
Hand 5: 13.219% 13.24% 00.01% 2168345 847.13 { 5h4h }
Hand 6: 11.655% 11.67% 00.01% 1911688 847.13 { 22 }
Hand 7: 16.447% 16.48% 00.01% 2698161 847.13 { KK }

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Lol someone beat me to it... sorry, read title, flamed...

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This is just wrong. When do you EVER EVER know that one other person has AA who has gone in front of you? You don't. And if you don't know that this person has AA, then folding AA is wrong. Play against hand ranges people.

[ssnyc]

sigh...that is all