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Old 11-05-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

It's unfair to other players, whether they are winners or losers. Winners end up seeing less hands and winning less. Losers want to PLAY PLAY PLAY and not wait. This is especially important to them if they are stuck badly.

Pros might feel a pressure to respond to others stalling by using their own stalling. The reason is that they will end up with a low % of tv time if they don't stall. So, with everyone stalling equally, all pros should end up with the same amount of tv time. Interestingly enough, this is the exact same result as NO ONE stalling.

So, cooperative game theory says no one should stall for tv time. Who can make this happen? Stalling is bad for everyone in the long run.
It's become bad for me too, because players in live casinos tend to unconsciously copy what they see on tv, and I see a lot of players stalling all the time in routine situations.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:55 AM
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Maybe some kind of electric device could zap those who stall for more than 30 seconds. First friendly warning zap, then 5 seconds and turn up the amps. Then it would be more like playing online, only missing the multitabling. Who's first to implement this in tv show?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

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cooperative game theory

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Oxymoron, DUCY?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

there should be a 30 second clock for all decisions...each player gets one 2 minute extension per round

its a little more tricky in cash games as sometimes people do need to make difficult decisions
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

Virtually every final table player is capable of multi-tabling and playing over 200 hands per hour. Yet most final tables struggle to play 25 hands per hour. Still the onus is on the organizers to speed up the game. All FTs are shown well after the event is played. Edit out the tanks.
Preflop facing no action, 10 seconds is plenty long. Strict enforcement. Players must announce the size of the raise within 10 seconds else all raises are minimum. When facing action give them 20 seconds. Postflop give them 20 seconds.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

I'm against any automatic clock restrictions. If needed, players can call the clock. The rest of this stuff is bad for poker.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

3 seconds on each decision, if no action, hand is dead.


[x] > online pokarr.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:03 PM
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3 seconds on each decision, if no action, hand is dead.

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3 seconds, then dealer rolls a die. Even numbers=all in, Odd numbers=fold, 7=Jerry Yang bets a million
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

but then it also sux when u have a real tough decision, cuz everyone starts complaining calling u a staller.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Stalling for tv time is really bad for poker

Yet I still get the argument from pros like Daniel, Phil Hellmuth, and Jamie Gold that disclosing the contents of their hands and Hollywooding is "Real Poker".

Jamie Gold and the WSOP's willingness to let him discuss hands set back poker one year as I have had to penalize players 100 times for verbally disclosing their hands and showing cards.

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