Rate this 3 bet-strategy

[donkeykong2]

Yeah, we re gonna have another awesome voting thread. The purpose is to advance our game strategically, this time i m lazy though, so the strategy is rather simple.
say we have been playing a relatively tight game so far and have a solid image, especially we have not 3 betted almost anything. At the 6 player-table there are two quite laggy players raising around 20-25 % of their hands preflop. These guys shall be the target of our moves now. Next time they raise and we are in position we will 3 bet them with any 2 other than premium hands that we will just call them with. If they call and check to us we will bet any flop. The other table conditions are random for the purpose of evaluation. As time goes by we will still rarely 3-bet but if we do it we will target the lags at the table and we will still flat our monsters.
Profitable strategy?

[donkeykong2]

also let me add that these players are mediocre regulars multitablers who you suspect are using pokertracker.

[donkeykong2]

also feel free to articulate your thoughts/reasonings after voting.

[Symbolic]

This isn't very good imo. One of the main reasons for 3betting someone light is to establish an image so we can then get paid off on our big pairs when we 3bet them. To 3bet junk then just flat call with our big pairs then completely wasting the image we have built up. And worse still if an observant player notices what you're doing he can pretty easily tear you apart.

[donkeykong2]

my reasoning was that they should view us as tight players given the history especially we have not 3 bet a lot and a lot of people seem to assume that if you 3 bet rarely you will do it with your premiums and given that they raise a lot and are observant, they will likely fold.

[keikiwai]

horrible - you should also raise premium hands

you should CC w/ hands that are ahead of their pfr range, but behind their calling of pfrrs range... you should also, rarely call w/ some strong hands to mix it up if they are paying attention

you should pfrr a polarized range of garbage and monsters

to sum up: you can always have a monster, but if you 3 bet it's garbage or a monster, and if you CC it's medium or a monster

also, cbetting all flops after a pfrr is burning money vs. almost all villain, it is pretty important to consider board texture etc. to decide whether you cbet or not

[donkeykong2]

obviously we change the strategy if we think they realized what we are doing here. it is not thought as a permanent strategy for a few thousand hands.
just with 3 betting and if we are doing it rarely and are going to showdown almost never it will be difficult to identify this, opposed to preflopraising with garbage or cbetting anything for example.

[keikiwai]

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obviously we change the strategy if we think they realized what we are doing here. it is not thought as a permanent strategy for a few thousand years.
just with 3 betting and if we are doing it rarely and are going to showdown almost never it will be difficult to identify this, opposed to raising with garbage for example.

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you're going to get your ass check raised very very often vs a lag if you cbet all flops

i'm not saying they'll cr you because they know that you cbet all flops

i'm saying lags will cr many flops in rred pots, so you shouldn't cbet the flops you are likely to get cred out of your seat on

[rberg]

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you should CC w/ hands that are ahead of their pfr range, but behind their calling of pfrrs range... you should also, rarely call w/ some strong hands to mix it up if they are paying attention

you should pfrr a polarized range of garbage and monsters


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Very interesting post. Does that mean that under normal circumstances you never CC suited connectors in position? And that you mostly CC Axs hands, cause they're ahead of a CO open-raise for example?
When you say rr garbage you mean 79s kinda stuff, right?

[keikiwai]

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you should CC w/ hands that are ahead of their pfr range, but behind their calling of pfrrs range... you should also, rarely call w/ some strong hands to mix it up if they are paying attention

you should pfrr a polarized range of garbage and monsters


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Very interesting post. Does that mean that under normal circumstances you never CC suited connectors in position? And that you mostly CC Axs hands, cause they're ahead of a CO open-raise for example?
When you say rr garbage you mean 79s kinda stuff, right?

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i was specifically referring to playing vs a LAG

if villain is tight, your implied odds w/ a suited connector are awesome, since when you hit it big, villain likely has something, since he's playing good cards

if villain is loose, your implied odds w/ a suited connector are [censored], since when you hit he'll likely have air

that being said, you can CC w/ suited connectors w/ the intention of floating / taking it away using unadulterated aggressive positional advantage vs a LAG

vs. LAG Ax is good imo, but you have to watch what x is, also things like KQos, KJos, QJos, QTos all have huge tp value imo