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#11
08-07-2007, 01:56 AM
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Re: 5/10 middle pair is the new top pair ?
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u cant include all those [censored] OESDs and all those flushdraws in the stove. i hope ucy [/ QUOTE ] nearly all of them have a straight draw + fd. i added KT as the "bluffing" hand to balance it out a bit. 
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#12
08-07-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: 5/10 middle pair is the new top pair ?
Well the stove is tricky cuz you have to balance the frequency for each type of hand. If you just include QJs and QJo that doesn't change much, unless you think this line is much more likely with 44,QJ than it is with the other hands.
I think the only way you can fold here is if you think he's doing this pretty often with just a plain one pair that's better than mine, maybe KQo or KJo. I think Bobbo is right that once I call the flop I kinda have to call here so maybe the more interesting part is thinking about the flop line and how that affects the whole hand.
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#14
08-07-2007, 02:22 AM
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i would fold flop definitely btw. [/ QUOTE ] Really? This guys is "slag" - and lots of villains flop a flush draw and donk bet right into you. Folding middle pair seems weak.
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#16
08-07-2007, 02:29 AM
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Re: 5/10 middle pair is the new top pair ?
Pokerstove is one of the worst tools out there. Fold the turn. You said he sucks preflop and is very good postflop. He knows what you have. So fold.
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#17
08-07-2007, 02:30 AM
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im weak [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] So weak that you 4-bet Q9 soooooted? Heh. No seriously. Would you really fold this to a donk bet from a "slightly lag" villain? And if so, can you explain?
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#18
08-07-2007, 02:54 AM
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Re: 5/10 middle pair is the new top pair ?
i think your hand does pretty poorly equity wise v his range on the flop. in addition, it looks as if youre going to be playing a huge pot if you call here so i think folding is better. basically, i dont see many ways that this hand will play out to be +ev if you call flop if he is at all aggro (and on a board like this he pretty much has to be).
edit: also, i think him donking full pot given its a 3 way pot supports the reasons for folding.
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#20
08-07-2007, 03:49 AM
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Re: 5/10 middle pair is the new top pair ?
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[ QUOTE ] Pokerstove is one of the worst tools out there. [/ QUOTE ] Do you care to elaborate? [/ QUOTE ]I did.
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