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| Doyle's fold of QQ after the flop on a board of rags vs. Reese's KK |
   
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66 | 60.00% |
| Sexton's call on the turn and the river against Matusow with bottom pair, crappy kicker |
  
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44 | 40.00% |
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#31
10-31-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
not picking on you i'm just saying that just because your line is better than a bad line doesn't make it satisfactory. You were the one that started the whole searching for "optimal lines" and "maximizing expectation" banter so follow through and write off all lines which don't fit that description.
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#32
10-31-2007, 01:39 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
on second thought, u might not get looked up a whole lot with a c/r on the flop, so maybe that's OK, but c/c shove is not good imo...
he's passive, y not just b/f or b/c here, it sounds std, but i do save the c/r for the aggro types
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#33
10-31-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
Isn't our hand the same as 32o here if we b/c? If when we bet we get shoved on it doesn't matter if we call or fold since it's around neutral EV anyways. So w/ 32o we bet and if we get shoved on we fold obviously and folding is neutral EV because we aren't losing anything (although it's ++++++++++EV compared to calling lol). So our decision after villain shoves is neutral EV in both spots. Hope this makes sense? But I'm not sure of the exact math w/ calling a shove w/ our draw. It may actually be -EV.
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#35
10-31-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
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not picking on you i'm just saying that just because your line is better than a bad line doesn't make it satisfactory. You were the one that started the whole searching for "optimal lines" and "maximizing expectation" banter so follow through and write off all lines which don't fit that description. [/ QUOTE ] b/c is the worst line c/r is an OK line but not the best/worst. c/c the flop, shove certain turns is the best line. shove any J/Q/K/A turn. I actually like checking if I make my straight because it gives villain another chance to bluff or bet his weak made hand. Against tougher opponents I would just shove any turn after c/cing the flop.
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#36
10-31-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
why are we assuming villain will only shove or fold the flop?
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#37
10-31-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
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fold PF and you won't have to make these decisions [/ QUOTE ] This is bad on so many levels.
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#38
10-31-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
zzz
Playing reraised pots OOP with 57s is terrible. Checkraising villains who only bluff a small part of their range is worse. zzzzz
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#39
10-31-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
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zzz Playing reraised pots OOP with 57s is terrible. Checkraising villains who only bluff a small part of their range is worse. zzzzz [/ QUOTE ] Wow both of these statements are wrong. 3betting OOP with suited gappers is fine if the villain opens light, just because he happened to call this time doesn't mean 3betting isn't optimal. When checked too villain is betting MOST of his range, overcards/weak made hands/gutshots/overpairs. So in conclusion, you have no clue how to play poker. Go back to sleep now.
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#40
10-31-2007, 02:01 PM
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Re: 100NL 3bet Pot C/R
cr sucks because he's never folding once he bets imo. cc shove and b/c are way better. I probably b/c
I also hate the idea of someone who posts a hand and then goes on and on about how his action was best. Why even post the hand, you know best obviously
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