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Old 06-17-2007, 09:41 AM
Cloodie Cloodie is offline
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Default Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

Just had a quick glance at it and we actually have such a verdict in trials over here. It's called 'Not Proven' rather than 'Porbably Guilty' and it has always been pretty ocntroversial.
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Old 06-17-2007, 02:09 PM
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Just had a quick glance at it and we actually have such a verdict in trials over here. It's called 'Not Proven' rather than 'Porbably Guilty' and it has always been pretty ocntroversial.

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Where is "over here"?
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:12 PM
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Scotland.

Btw that terrible spelling was due to rushed typing rather than a poor grasp of the English language [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article


I really liked this article. Great points, David!
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Old 06-21-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

What about an innocent person being acquited, but labelled as "probably guilty"? While this is not as bad as a conviction, this label will surely make his life extremely difficult as if he was guilty. The stigma of this label (if public) could likely result in discrimination in employment, owning a home, even trying to have a relationship.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of setting a guilty person free, giving them a chance to do harm again.

I would think that a "probably guilty" acquital would need to be classified, and from the public's point of view it would need to be considered a pure acquital. The acquited person should not have to disclose the qualification. The tracking device would really be just a deterant incase he was actually guilty. And of course any person with knowledge of "probably guilty" verdict would have to keep the verdict confidential or face jail time. Although I doubt a courtroom full of people, especially victim's friends/family could keep this confidential. So it seems that an innocent person would likely receive this label under your proposal.

I am not sure how I feel about your proposal, there are pros and cons, but I seem to be more concerned about the cons I pointed out...
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Old 06-21-2007, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

Here's a link to a newspaper report on a court case involving the 'not proven' verdict.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=287052005
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Old 07-05-2007, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

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What about an innocent person being acquited, but labelled as "probably guilty"? While this is not as bad as a conviction, this label will surely make his life extremely difficult as if he was guilty. The stigma of this label (if public) could likely result in discrimination in employment, owning a home, even trying to have a relationship.

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we already have this in the US, they are called restraining orders and they are civil law so the defendant does not have as many rights.
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Old 07-06-2007, 10:01 PM
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Most countries probably have a restraining order by some name or another.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

probably not
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: Sklansky\'s \'Probably Guilty\' article

what is going on in the world? is everyone high?
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