Am I maximizing value from flopped sets! NL50, Full Tilt

[QuietEarner]

Maybe this is just variance, but seems like lately I'm not getting max value from flopped sets. Most times I've just been fast playing, going for the check raise when I know the continuation bet is coming. Should I not check raise as much when I know the continuation bet is coming and villains range isn't on the board.

Some Examples.


HAND 1: Villain is 12/10/3, almost always continuation betting. Probably a standard hand, can't let him draw. That A is strongly in his range though. Decent pot I'm just greedy want the whole stack.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($75.15)
UTG ($59.05)
MP ($50)
CO ($50)
Hero ($88.25)
SB ($49)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $4.55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: $13.85

HAND 2: Villain is 23/18/3. Same deal as the last one almost, villain is continuation betting alot, but can't let him draw right.

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Hero ($69.60)
BB ($43.50)
UTG ($46.25)
MP ($83.70)
CO ($50)
Button ($61.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: $10.50

Hand 3: Villain is 25/22/3.4, somewhat of a calling station. Have seen him call down with TPWK, a gutshot with 2 overs once, and with just overs 2 times. Is my bet sizing to strong here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($31.15)
SB ($58.85)
BB ($22.60)
UTG ($54)
Hero ($165.80)
CO ($49)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($16.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $16.75

Just a couple of examples, not sure if I'm really doing something wrong not getting more money into the pot or if it's just a variance thing where it's a little dry spell (value wise). Basically asking if I'm getting max value out of these hands or can I get more some kind of way.

The biggest part of this is that most of these hands the villain has hit a flop that is almost certainly in their range. Small exception on last one, but he did call my flop bet so must have something.

[Woody317]

I think you played them fine. My default line is to generally bet strongly with sets and sometimes slow play if it's a dry board. There's an argument for checking behind turn on hand 3. He's not drawing so this might give him a chance to put a nice bet out on the river and maybe call a decent raise but betting there can't be bad.

The only thing i'd say is that if opponents c-bet a lot and fold to raises you can start raising their c-bets a little more regularly particularly if you have a tight image.

[TonyRoflmao]

The first two hands are okay. Another option is to underbet the pot trying to represent a draw, then 3-bet your opponent all-in if they raise.

Yet another possibility is to just call the flop and then min-raise the turn if a safe card falls. If your opponents are paying attention, it's important that you play big draws exactly the same as sets.

In the second hand, I would personally 3-bet preflop for a few reasons. You may be ahead at that point, your opponent is unlikely to shove over your 3-bet, and you can c-bet the flop and take it down unless your opponent hits a big hand. Finally 3-betting medium or better pairs form the blinds will make it much easier to stack a TPTK hand.

[BatsShadow]

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If your opponents are paying attention, it's important that you play big draws exactly the same as sets.


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When you say big draws, do you mean combo draws or flush draws?

[subs]

hands 1 and 3 looks standard to me... id 3 bet preflop in hand 2 and im not a big fan of the check raise

[tdx]

I think this depends a lot on your image. I'd fold my TPTK against a nit showing agression on flop.

[QuietEarner]

I'm about 20/13/3, continue bet to often and double barrel to often. Also probably call to often on the flop when bet into.