Religion vs Atheism vs Everything Else

winningfish · #1 09-23-2007, 01:36 AM

Religion, its purpose in society, whichever denomination or brand of religion, and atheism itself, ultimately are issues that only matter to those that care about the existence or nonexistence of God.

To the other members of society, it simply isn't that important an issue as to dominate all other issues in society. Religion's good and harmful effects on society(and for the same token atheism) are simply no more or less significant than issues such as organized crime, drugs, pornography, gambling, etc etc.

Discuss.

Sephus · #2 09-23-2007, 01:43 AM

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Religion's good and harmful effects on society(and for the same token atheism) are simply no more or less significant than issues such as organized crime, drugs, pornography, gambling, etc etc.

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i don't see how you can compare "religion's good and harmful effects" with "organized crime, drugs, pornography, gambling." religion's effects are very relevant to those issues as well.

there aren't very many social "issues" that aren't affected by religion in some way.

winningfish · #3 09-23-2007, 01:55 AM

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there aren't very many social "issues" that aren't affected by religion in some way.

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There also aren't very many social issues that aren't affected by, for example, Television and the media and the images they portray. I don't believe in God nor do I have a thing against those who do, so I'm neither religious nor atheist, and really to me, religion if not for the wars that have involved religions, is no bigger or less an issue than say drugs in society or the influence of media. I'm not talking about whether religion is good, bad, or whether drugs are bad, or media is good or bad. I'm talking about the significance of the issue itself.

Which, to RELIGIOUS FANATICS or ATHEISTS, is just not the case. They live or breathe this religion stuff and shove it down everyone's throats.. take a look at the board it's nonstop religion topics one after another. I'm not taking sides, just making an observation.

qwnu · #4 09-23-2007, 02:06 AM

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I don't believe in God nor do I have a thing against those who do, so I'm neither religious nor atheist...

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You have a unique definition of "atheist".

luckyme · #5 09-23-2007, 02:07 AM

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I don't believe in God nor do I have a thing against those who do, so I'm neither religious nor atheist,

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Ok, I give up.
1) you don't believe in god
2) you're not an atheist.

Do you have a theory that to be an atheist a person must no believe in god AND where a red hat, or what?

luckyme

winningfish · #6 09-23-2007, 02:12 AM

Saying one doesn't believe in God doesn't mean one doesn't believe in the possibility of the existence of some other-being that is all-powerful. It simply means one doesn't subscribe to the present options available in organized religion. It is very different to those who are against God.

And interesting that, PREDICTABLY, the religous are focusing on labelling here instead of looking at the issue being raised, which is that religion simply is not the No.1 overriding dominant social issue that the fanatics on both sides would want to shove down our throats and have us believe.

qwnu · #7 09-23-2007, 02:38 AM

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Saying one doesn't believe in God doesn't mean one doesn't believe in the possibility of the existence of some other-being that is all-powerful. It simply means one doesn't subscribe to the present options available in organized religion. It is very different to those who are against God.

And interesting that, PREDICTABLY, the religous are focusing on labelling here instead of looking at the issue being raised, which is that religion simply is not the No.1 overriding dominant social issue that the fanatics on both sides would want to shove down our throats and have us believe.

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What I'm focusing on is definitions. If you define an atheist as a militant, God-hating fanatic, as you apparently do, it's important to understand that. That's just not the standard (or correct) definition.

So your point is what? That other people put too much emphasis on religion (or the lack thereof) in their lives? Because you don't think it's a big deal, nobody else should either? That doesn't seem like a very insightful or interesting point to me.

Using words like "fanatic" to describe every position but your own also seems unnecessarily antagonistic.

Finally, your failed to meet your own standard of "correct spelling". Anyway, perfect spelling can't cover up an incoherent argument.

vhawk01 · #8 09-23-2007, 07:58 PM

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Saying one doesn't believe in God doesn't mean one doesn't believe in the possibility of the existence of some other-being that is all-powerful. It simply means one doesn't subscribe to the present options available in organized religion. It is very different to those who are against God.

And interesting that, PREDICTABLY, the religous are focusing on labelling here instead of looking at the issue being raised, which is that religion simply is not the No.1 overriding dominant social issue that the fanatics on both sides would want to shove down our throats and have us believe.

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Atheists are not "against God" or against those who believe in God, and its a little sad to see that the propaganda campaign has been so effective on you.

Take a minute to try to reason out why this is an absurd position.

winningfish · #9 09-23-2007, 02:14 AM

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I don't believe in God nor do I have a thing against those who do, so I'm neither religious nor atheist,

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Ok, I give up.
1) you don't believe in god
2) you're not an atheist.

Do you have a theory that to be an atheist a person must no believe in god AND where a red hat, or what?

luckyme

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Please learn to use correct spelling and grammar if you want to critique, otherwise you come across as very stupid.

luckyme · #10 09-23-2007, 02:39 AM

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Please learn to use correct spelling and grammar if you want to critique, otherwise you come across as very stupid.

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It would only concern me if it were true, hhhhmmm...not even then, because there's nothing I can do about it nor likely recognize it.
Until I decide, feel free to challenge and correct any argument I make that you are able to follow.

thanks for the heads up, luckyme