Greg Raymer shows his ass on national tv

[NicksDad1970]

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Why do u want a gun in your home? U think u are balla with gun in your house? I think it's pretty stupid to have a small arsenal of handguns at home. And than all you Rednecks say but it is in the Constitution, well that has been made about 330 years ago and it was a little bit more unsafe around those time. In most areas you don't need a handgun in your home, maybe in Bagdad it's safer with a Kalasjnikov next to youre door.

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You're maturity level went WAY down right after your first sentence. At least you didn't put others down... Well at least you didn't after calling people rednecks.

I own guns and have a license to carry as well. I can understand and appreciate your concerns and arguments too.

I honestly think you would get a better debate by at least acting like an adult about it though.

Let's see if we can start now. My concern about gun control is honestly the fact that it would be pretty difficult to get the villans to hand theirs over. How do you suggest the government goes about doing that? I, like many here, have heard so many people talk about how the government would have to "take the gun from their dead hands" but I think those people could be dealt with. I just have a real hard time thinking a murderer or armed robber would just hand it over.

I wouldn't be opposed to tighter controls over guns though. It's so easy to just buy one at a gun show or other places w/o any checks at all.

[Roy Gonzo]

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I just have a real hard time thinking a murderer or armed robber would just hand it over.

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If someone made his mind up to be a murderer or armed robber he could get a gun anyway.

Some people will always possess guns without permission just as some people will always do drugs without permission.

That's not the point. The point is to deny the rest of the society a lethal weapon, just as you deny them certain drugs. Now if someone desperatly tries to kill somebody he'll surely find another way. But you'll have less children with relatively easy access to guns, less students with relatively easy access to guns and less unresponsible people with relatively easy access to guns.

Just as you don't want to allow heroin because some people do it anyway. I think you got my point.

Statistics and other somehow compareable countries prove that the crime rate is at least not negatively affected if you deny the citizens an easy access to guns.

However, that's not the point of this thread. This thread is about the OP makeing an ass out of himself...

[MorsifiedZombie]

"LennartZ location says Amsterdam. I doubt he´s a product of the american school system, do you see why?"

Yeah I did miss that...although if he's from Amsterdam why on earth is he debating US gun policy? I don't debate the economic policies of the EU...silly me for assuming he was from the US if he's going to open his pie hole about a domestic US issue.

[LennartZ]

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Why do u want a gun in your home? U think u are balla with gun in your house? I think it's pretty stupid to have a small arsenal of handguns at home. And than all you Rednecks say but it is in the Constitution, well that has been made about 330 years ago and it was a little bit more unsafe around those time. In most areas you don't need a handgun in your home, maybe in Bagdad it's safer with a Kalasjnikov next to youre door.

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You're maturity level went WAY down right after your first sentence. At least you didn't put others down... Well at least you didn't after calling people rednecks.

I own guns and have a license to carry as well. I can understand and appreciate your concerns and arguments too.

I honestly think you would get a better debate by at least acting like an adult about it though.

Let's see if we can start now. My concern about gun control is honestly the fact that it would be pretty difficult to get the villans to hand theirs over. How do you suggest the government goes about doing that? I, like many here, have heard so many people talk about how the government would have to "take the gun from their dead hands" but I think those people could be dealt with. I just have a real hard time thinking a murderer or armed robber would just hand it over.

I wouldn't be opposed to tighter controls over guns though. It's so easy to just buy one at a gun show or other places w/o any checks at all.

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Very good post and I am sorry to call people Rednecks, it's generalising and pretty prejudiged.

I think it is true that it is impossible to get all the (illegal) guns out of the streets. But they are there beacause of the free market wich there is right now. And only stopping selling firearms probably is going to make things only worse, what the main problem is is poverty.
Altough the U.S. is the richest country in the world, the amount of people who are living under the povertyline says that the U.S. is in fact a third world country. This would be a bit stupid to say because of the average income. So what probably a better idea is to start with taking a lot of those billions of $ that are used in Defence. If you took that money and invest it in Jobs, Healthcare and Scholing there will be a decent general income and so much less crime. When the U.S. is there you could start thinking about making it illegal to carry a firearm on the streets.

And on me being not a U.S. Citizen, I am still free to say what my opinion is, not? isn't that like the first Amendment? If you have anything to critisize about my country our the EU, feel free, but try to come with facts not only opinions. And yes there is also alot wrong with the Netherlands. For instance the Poker Laws and the monopoly that the state has for being the only one to offer Casino Games (Poker Included)

I als do not want people to think that I hate the U.S. after all you saved our but from the Nazi's

[Your Mom]

if someone said something retarded about online poker, you guys would be all over his ass. Seems reasonable to hold Raymer to the same standard.

[NicksDad1970]

"I think it is true that it is impossible to get all the (illegal) guns out of the streets. But they are there beacause of the free market wich there is right now. And only stopping selling firearms probably is going to make things only worse, what the main problem is is poverty.
Altough the U.S. is the richest country in the world, the amount of people who are living under the povertyline says that the U.S. is in fact a third world country. This would be a bit stupid to say because of the average income. So what probably a better idea is to start with taking a lot of those billions of $ that are used in Defence. If you took that money and invest it in Jobs, Healthcare and Scholing there will be a decent general income and so much less crime. When the U.S. is there you could start thinking about making it illegal to carry a firearm on the streets. "

I guess I shouldn't have quoted all that but stopping spending the money we do on defense would be a whole other discussion. Saying that we would save a lot of money has to be accurate but the bad part, some would say, is that if we didn't do what we thought was right on helping others then the bad people would get worse.

Like I said that's another discussion that I don't have the thorough knowledge to have at this point.

But you make good points. I honestly don't see any major changes in my lifetime. But I lead a stressful life and am getting fatter every say so it might not be that long [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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that's true but guns are invented to make it easier to kill people, the goal of poker is to win some money, not to kill people. I think that's kind of a big difference

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Not true. I saw Tony G tell Surinder Sunar that he was going to "DESTROY HIM" ... I bet Sunar wished he was packing at the final table!

[TexRef]

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Why do u want a gun in your home? U think u are balla with gun in your house? I think it's pretty stupid to have a small arsenal of handguns at home.

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Based on how you write, I'd guess that you are about 20 years old? Give or take a few?

You haven't really lived long enough to tell others what to do.

You are entitled to your opinions / thoughts, but thankfully we do not make laws based on what one or two people think!

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And than all you Rednecks say but it is in the Constitution, well that has been made about 330 years ago and it was a little bit more unsafe around those time.

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All gun owners are rednecks? Nice stereotype there.

There are certainly places in the US that are MUCH MORE unsafe than things were back in the colonial days.

Not every country has the same culture as yours. I've lived in Holland and it is a very safe country -- my parents would allow me to take public transportation around town, walk to town by myself, etc. at a fairly young age (junior high) -- I doubt they would have allowed me to do the same in some cities in the US.

[TexRef]

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Altough the U.S. is the richest country in the world, the amount of people who are living under the povertyline says that the U.S. is in fact a third world country. This would be a bit stupid to say because of the average income. So what probably a better idea is to start with taking a lot of those billions of $ that are used in Defence. If you took that money and invest it in Jobs, Healthcare and Scholing there will be a decent general income and so much less crime. When the U.S. is there you could start thinking about making it illegal to carry a firearm on the streets.

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America is very different from most countries. We have every culture here in different parts of the country. Holland is about the size and population of Maryland -- the 42nd smallest state in our union. You have 6M people -- we have almost 300M. So, it's certainly easier to solve those sorts of problems with a smaller country. Further, every state is allowed to create and enforce their own laws - as long as they do not contradict the constitution.

It can be argued that our constitution really does not allow for universal federally funded healthcare, education, etc. -- although there are certainly some programs in place.

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And on me being not a U.S. Citizen, I am still free to say what my opinion is, not? isn't that like the first Amendment?

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No - this only applies to Americans.

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If you have anything to critisize about my country our the EU, feel free, but try to come with facts not only opinions.

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Like the fact that anyone that owns a gun is a redneck or "balla"?? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[killsadie]

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It kinda is a big deal.
Put yourself in our shoes, we have been beat down for years by bad propaganda just like poke has been.
Like I said I like you Greg I just want you to have your facts straight when you say stuff like this on national tv.

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cry more, please. and then stfu when youre done.