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08-03-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight.
Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity. I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along. 
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#13
08-03-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
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This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight. Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity. I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along. [/ QUOTE ] OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts?
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#14
08-03-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
You could check here, which may be something I would do if the flop wasn't so drawy. There is a flush draw and a straight draw, plus UTG or CO could have called with 77 88 or 99. They could have also limped with maybe suited connectors. I don't think we can be confident enough that neither of our opponents will have a straight if a 6 or T turns, or a flush if a diamond hits. I would probably raise to something like 320, and see what happens. If I get called by one player, and the turn is a 6 or T or the board pairs I am going to try to see a cheap showdown, and probably fold to a lot of action. If the turn comes an overcard or undercard that doesn't fill any of the draws I think I would fire another bullet.
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#15
08-03-2007, 02:17 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
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[ QUOTE ] This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight. Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity. I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along. [/ QUOTE ] OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] Damn, I knew I should have taken the thinking to the next level. Villain shoved the nuts hoping you had a big pair and would put him on a flush draw. I remember reading Harrington about a hand where a player pushed a made top full house on a two flush board hoping to represent a flush draw and get TPTK to call drawing dead. I wish I had the bankroll to play more often at $100 SnGs.
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#16
08-03-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
sonofD...are you seriously second guessing your AK suited...get it in and be happy with that stack unless the ITM thing is important as it's a bigger tourney...course in that case should you be playing this level?
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#18
08-03-2007, 03:05 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
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[ QUOTE ] This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight. Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity. I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along. [/ QUOTE ] OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] Easy push. You're probably looking at high pairs but the pot odds are great. Winning this puts you in great position to FT or at least go deep.
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#19
08-03-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
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sonofD...are you seriously second guessing your AK suited...get it in and be happy with that stack unless the ITM thing is important as it's a bigger tourney...course in that case should you be playing this level? [/ QUOTE ] I am not, but thought maybe somebody would have something to contribute that I didn't consider. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I was in great shape BTW - one villain showed A10 and the other 88, but of course the board came down 9 high, so gg me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#20
08-03-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: PS 100+9 - AA - Ugly Flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is a flush draw, straight draw, combo draw or TT-KK way more often than a set, two pair or a made straight. Villain can't put you on a straight. He has to put you on a big A or an overpair. I highly doubt he would simply shove if he has you crushed, and has position on you. It's a perfectly good play with a good draw to try to get you to lay down a big A or even JJ. He knows he has outs and fold equity. I call here. I am much more suspicious when I have AA and villain is playing along. [/ QUOTE ] OK, good reads. Precisely because I credited the guy with being a good player, I thought that he would have played a made hand slower. I think I may have folded this in a 10/180, but I called and he showed A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Surprisingly, this isn't a "waaaah, I stacked off with aces" post, since I dodged a 10 and a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I went out near the bubble with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in a 3-way AI. BTW, this leads me to another question. With ~16BB's, about 15-20 to ITM, on the button with the above hand. 2 stacks of roughly my size get AI. Do I call or fold? I insta-called, thinking this was my chance to go deep. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] Damn, I knew I should have taken the thinking to the next level. Villain shoved the nuts hoping you had a big pair and would put him on a flush draw. I remember reading Harrington about a hand where a player pushed a made top full house on a two flush board hoping to represent a flush draw and get TPTK to call drawing dead. I wish I had the bankroll to play more often at $100 SnGs. [/ QUOTE ] I think you need to read more carefully. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Villain shoved nut flush DRAW with gutshot str8 draw, and my aces held up. I am going to play more of these 100+9 - my game/thinking seems to work better here than in 10/180's - unfotunately I only have ~$2,200 on PS, so that's nowhere near enough.
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