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10-15-2007, 11:59 PM
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chasing gut shots
I hate to bring this up because it feels like an elementary question but I have been playing a bit of low limit hold'em (live play) mostly in AC.
Very typically I am getting the right price to play for a gut shot in these low limit games. I believe the odds of hitting a gut shot is 10.5:1. I call often times but I feel like I am leaking my money away many times as calling sometimes leads to a pair but not the straight. Should I always play this in low limit if the price is right. I have not had much success at LL Hold'em and I am wondering if chasing this sort of hand is just a leak or if I am truly justified in doing so. 
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10-16-2007, 01:55 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
You can usually call only getting 8:1 and sometimes as low as 7:1.
Things to consider is if your gutshot is to the nuts, any additional outs you may have, and how many active players there are left and how aggressive those players are.
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#4
10-16-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
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You can usually call only getting 8:1 and sometimes as low as 7:1. Things to consider is if your gutshot is to the nuts, any additional outs you may have, and how many active players there are left and how aggressive those players are. [/ QUOTE ] That is if you are drawing on the flop. On the turn you will want to be clue to the true odds of hitting because you have one less round to collect bets when you make your hand.
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#5
10-16-2007, 02:27 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
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You can usually call only getting 8:1 and sometimes as low as 7:1. Things to consider is if your gutshot is to the nuts, any additional outs you may have, and how many active players there are left and how aggressive those players are. [/ QUOTE ] Also your position on a likely bettor. b
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#6
10-16-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
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[ QUOTE ] You can usually call only getting 8:1 and sometimes as low as 7:1. Things to consider is if your gutshot is to the nuts, any additional outs you may have, and how many active players there are left and how aggressive those players are. [/ QUOTE ] That is if you are drawing on the flop. On the turn you will want to be clue to the true odds of hitting because you have one less round to collect bets when you make your hand. [/ QUOTE ] It's also easier to make up bets from the flop to turn than turn to river with the bets doubling. b
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#9
10-16-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
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what are the true odds for calling on the flop...8:1? [/ QUOTE ] Your immediate odds on the flop are 10.5:1. However, if you take into account your implied odds then sometimes you may be able to call only getting 8:1 as you will make up those bets on later streets. This isn't always the case though, so always take into account all other factors as well when making your decision to continue (aggressiveness of table, likelihood of x number of people calling a turn bet, etc.)
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#10
10-16-2007, 11:52 AM
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Re: chasing gut shots
Hello guys. I am pretty new to posting on this forum, but have been playing what I consider LLHE at B&M casinos for the better part of 5 years.
What you guys are talking about is flopping a gutshot with what I will assume is a multitude of players seeing the flop. Like someone else already mentioned you have to take into account the texture of the board and if hitting your gut shot will make someone else a better hand. You hold J-8 and the flop hits Q-10-7 Now obviously you need a 9 for your gut shot and JUST getting the right odds is not the best way to look at calling here. I mean a 9 in this situation makes K-J a better straight. Now let us say in the above example the turn is a 10 pairing the board you may already be drawing slim to your straight. 2 flush cards on the flop or by the turn may also have you drawing slim to your straight when you take away the 9 that would make 3 to the flush on the board. Just mindlessly calling your gut shot because you have the odds is about as bad a play you can make. Take into account the other players in the hand and what your implieds are going to be EVEN IF you do hit your straight AND it is the best hand. I mean one person in the pot and he is being aggressive and you KNOW the only way to win the pot is hitting that 4 outer. I mean are you going to call all the way to the river with your draw when the turn pairs the board or the river brings your 9 but it is the 3rd heart on the board? Just because you are getting the odds doesnot make it the right play.
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