can you EVER fold KK vs AA in cash game?

cd1680 · #1 07-31-2007, 01:13 AM

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $121.90
Hero: $107.30
CO: $51.50
Button: $52.05
SB: $92
BB: $40.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with ks kh
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises to $4.5, BB folds, Hero raises to $17.5, CO folds, SB raises to $53.75, Hero raises all-in $107.3, SB calls all-in $42.5.
Uncalled bets: $11.05 returned to Hero.

so he has AA. his stats are 26/20/2.8 over 200 hands. i thought it was kind of obvious to me wen he 5 bet me preflop to $53.75. i almost folded this. i timed down to the last 5 seconds but i couldnt do it. he's never done that before and i have not been out of line. in fact i was pretty nitty at 16/13/6 over 70 hands. so do u guys think it is foldable?

michaelantoi · #2 07-31-2007, 01:22 AM

no.

corsakh · #3 07-31-2007, 01:30 AM

Need to be over 300deep to fold it.

RaidanKR · #4 07-31-2007, 01:43 AM

Thats poker. Im never folding it, unless im on the bubble for a fairly hefty amount.

hellmuth88 · #5 07-31-2007, 02:06 AM

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Need to be over 300deep to fold it.

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i think against the right villian (prfraise stats at least less then 8%) folding can be right only 200bb deep

Trae3ab · #6 07-31-2007, 02:39 AM

Def. over $300 deep.

I've seen it done twice on Live at the Bike.

BigPoppa · #7 07-31-2007, 02:49 AM

I have never folded KK preflop, but this might be a spot where I coluld find a fold.

The old rule of thumb used to be that the 3rd raise was always Aces. That is obviously no longer the case online (don't know about live), but it is probably true of the 4th raise in a spot like this.

Effective stacks are 184bb and he is 5 betting you with over half his stack. This is not a BvB battle with a hyper LAG who could be doing this with air. He has a real hand and he wants to get it all in.

I'd say that AA/KK are 80% of his range here, and he's obviously a lot more likely to have Aces given your hand. The other 20% is overplayed AK/QQ, which you crush but are not bulletproof against.

JSnoop · #8 07-31-2007, 02:56 AM

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I'd say that AA/KK are 98% of his range here, and he's obviously a lot more likely to have Aces given your hand.

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FYP

AroundTheHorn · #9 07-31-2007, 04:50 AM

i've never folded KK pf, but i've never faced a 5th bet almost 200bb deep. i just don't see him playing AK or QQ like this

kabouter · #10 07-31-2007, 04:56 AM

Haven't ever played this deep preflop with KK I think. I rarely get it allin preflop, let alone stand against 200bb deep.

Most of the time they fold a 3bet/4bet, or they call it when they have aces.

I often call 3bets too now with KK/AA, just too mix it up a bit.

But on to the question, I probably wouldn't fold it (but maybe I would at 100nl $200 deep against a taggy villain) in this case. Could just as easily be KK/AK, and well otherwise you still have 2 outs [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].