Sit 'n Go Strategy study group -- Part 2: Mid Blind Play

[bogey1]

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The S-C rankings and numbers were determined using a cash game model: that your single opponent knows your hand and will only call if it is profitable to do so. This makes for a nice limiting case in cash games but not so much in SNGs. There are a few elements of SNGs that make them less applicable. The most important of these is that it is possible for your opponent to make a bad call that hurts both you and him. What you are looking for in a SNG is the Nash Equilibrium if you want to not care about your opponents' ranges. The NE is a much more complicated problem to solve.

There are a lot of good uses for the S-C rankings in SNGs, which will show up a lot more in Part 3: High Blind Play.

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Very true. Like I said, it's useful inside the bubble and reasonably far away from it where more cash game like situations exist. Bubble play is a different beast and I don't use SC as much on the bubble. Bubble play is also one of the most profitable areas.

I do, however, see horrendous errors heads up where there's a lot of profit to be made (6 person SNGs) where just plain SC play is worth buckets of money.

I also see a lot of errors with limp/folding mediocre, but SC shovable, hands at the mid-blind levels when we're still 1 or 2 people from being at the bubble.

[Slim Pickens]

I think you're getting ahead of me here. In these sorts of situations 6-handed opening from the SB, I would imagine the S-C numbers do a decent job of valuing hands. I'm trying to get people away from thinking about push/fold tables since we've got a way to explain everything at all stages of a tournament using the same method.

[xPeru]

For general infoon SC numbers:

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...te_id/1#import

[Vetgirig]

In Full Tilt Poker Strategy guide page 98-99 Andy Bloch has a table with hand rankings which differ from the S-C-numbers. The table is used for determining where its profitable to shove from SB and when one should call in BB. Its called the jam or fold game - limiting the actions to either jamming or folding.

They are for tournament play and also for when the opponent don't know the others hands. Notice that the hands are given with a stack size when its profitable to play them -it says at which stack size should one jam or fold for it to be optimal play for a given hand.

The number of big blinds to shove in SB and call in BB are:
Hand SB BB
QTs 103 22
22 52 15
A2s 48 24
A7o 40 29

Notice how its much more profitable to shove with a certain hand than to call - thats the gap concept in play. Also notice how A2s are stronger than A7o because A2 is easier to get a straight or flush and even if a 7 is higher than a 2 both kickers are so low that often neither of them play.

[Slim Pickens]

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In Full Tilt Poker Strategy guide page 98-99 Andy Bloch has a table with hand rankings which differ from the S-C-numbers.

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If you see the Sklansky-Chubukov numbers online or in Sklansky and Miller and compare to [Bloch's table], you need to double [Bloch's] number and subtract 1 so it equates to Sklansky's.

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[Slim Pickens]

OK, let's get this trainwreck moving again. Hand 2-32... go!

[hirschi]

i have one question: what means the Nash Equilibrium exactly?
thanks alot

[mcpst17]

Sorry work has been a little crazy the last week. i will work on it tonight and post.

[mcpst17]

Pre Hand
Position Stacks ICM $ Value
UTG 2000 11.16 Fold
UTG+1 2000 11.16 Fold
MP1 2000 11.16 Fold
MP2 1550 8.84 Fold
MP3 2100 11.65 raise t400
CO 2900 15.41 call
Button (hero) 2000 11.16 ?
SB 1450 8.31 ?
BB 2000 11.16 ?
18000 100.00


Push All Fold
Position Stacks ICM $ Value
UTG 2000 11.17
UTG+1 2000 11.17
MP1 2000 11.17
MP2 1550 8.86
MP3 1700 9.64
CO 2500 13.60
Button (hero) 2950 15.65
SB 1400 8.06
BB 1900 10.67
18000 100.00



Push Only hijack Calls all in
Position Stacks ICM $ Value
UTG 2000 11.51
UTG+1 2000 11.51
MP1 2000 11.51
MP2 1550 9.12
MP3 100 0.63
CO 2500 13.99
Button (hero) 4550 22.45
SB 1400 8.30
BB 1900 10.99
18000 100.00

Initial call: 22+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KJo+ (13.7%)
Call a push: 66+,AJs+,AQo+,KQs,KJo (8.0%)

41.606% 15.65 6.51
58.394% 40.278% 22.45 5.28
58.394% 59.772% 0 0
11.79



Ok I have not gotten very far as corporate tax returns are due on the 17th and it has been hell this week. Anyway sorry for the delay. I need some help on the hand ranges to help finish the calcs.

1. When I put the hand ranges slim showed in part one into poker stove I get a higher % than he does? Is this b/c I have to take into account the cards I have in my hand? If so how do I do that?

2. I assume that the CO need a stronger hand range to call with preflop than hijack needs to bet so I would like some input on the hand ranges to do the calc.

3. The last point is how do we factor in an over call by the CO after hijack calls. What about the blinds?

4. How the f*** do you get a screen shot of excel in here???

If someone can help with the hand ranges I will do the calcs.

Thanks.

[MASTERHOLMES]

two possiblities here that usally happens to me,

by now I either chip up to about 2000-3000 from 1500(full tilt) so i make raises preflop with touble hands, but fold on the flop if missed and get betted into for I figure it hit them.
i either try to use powerful preflop betting or small ball,,
but then again that becomes predictable so i combine them by betting the same but like i do for early blinds i keep the aces betting consistent with small pair betting.

I only play speculative hands suited connectors (killer poker author jv and tj cloutier says suited connectors will eat you up after all) on the small blind, or big blind. once in a while on the button if not raised.

basically i got the chips to continue on with my early small blind strategy.

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or i find myself getting short chipped but not reaching the push or fold 10 blinds yet .
I remember making a bet 3 times bb with aces as i didnt' take a hand and everyone immediately folded to my aces.
yet i do not want to limp in with aces for then everyone gets to see the flop and aces go down in value.

instead what I want to do is take a page from the dominator and keep active with speculative hands like king queen, once in a while so when i do have aces i can raise it all in when reraised.

i do notice that a lot of restealing raises go on,, and when i do call them ,, it turns out they had aces to my queens or queens to my big slick and i missed on the flop turn and river for it usally go all in with big slick.

i am now thinking that i should call a raise with big slick and abort if i miss ? . best way to play it in an sit and go ?

restealing from the bb to the button with a decent hand is a techique I starting to use and it helped me out of a jam.
of course it was with specuatative hand and not a bluff so i was saying basically hey i got something back off and meant it instead of "please leave me alone "

and here with a decent hand i will steal reaise the blinds like in the book.
i dont' do it with trash , jack 4 . 92 . 69.

of course somtimes you get a suck out and you end up with 500 or missed with big slick..
so at 500 chips in the middle,, i still find it hard to wiat for the tight person to be in the bb,,
i still push all in with ace big , ace little, suited connector, or small pair.
and pray.

how should i change my game a bit for middle blinds?