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Old 10-23-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: AP Visit: I\'m going to Costa Rica

Actually, there's a lot more initial negativity here than I thought there would be. I thought people would know that I will not compromise my report because of a fee.

I want to get a feeling for what people really think because I am open to the idea of calling it off if people aren't going to believe the report that I write. I don't care about the money, it isn't nearly enough for me to want or need it.

I did say let's end discussion about it, but I'm simply not going to go down there and commit a ton of time and energy for free. I'd be happy to bring Adanthar along (and chop up the fee) or even let him go for the full amount. I don't care.

Let's hear your thoughts...
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM
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Nat,

Can you ask them something like "Why did you continually lie to the public and cover things up when you knew there was cheating going on?" and make sure you get it word for word on record from the highest person at AP you can find.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM
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Good luck, don't let them holloway you.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM
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Good luck. Watch your back.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM
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Yea if money isn't an issue either

a) donate it all to charity
b) give it to people who lost to the cheaters

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he deserves compensation for his time.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: AP Visit: I\'m going to Costa Rica

Nat - Thanks for doing this. I know that you'll be impartial and thorough with your investigation and line of questioning.

I'd be curious to know the following:

1. Are UB operations now combined with AP?
2. If so, what is the management structure of UB?
3. Does UB utilize the same core code, policies, servers, etc. as AP or will they in the future?
4. The audit will surely uncover the first obvious use of the super-account (or whatever is the PC term). What was the date of that occurrence?
5. What is their policy now in regards to employees, etc. playing on their site(s).

Thanks again for all you have done and are doing. Looking forward to the trip report. SMcF
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:47 PM
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Nat,

Im not sure that whatever you end up saying will be believed fully since you are being paid for it.

Im not saying I personally wont believe you, however if AP thinks that a blessing by you will clear there name they are sadly mistaken.

I dont see why the amount wont be shared now either. Withholding any info on this process will prob fuel the doubters.

So you are staying there a for a week to observe day to day?

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If he were going to lie, he likely wouldn't tell us he was being paid.

Anyway, it would seem to me that Nat should try to find out why the logs are generated in play rather than after the hand and what measures they have taken to stop this.
Unfortunately for AP they can never prove a negative, but maybe they could at least explain in detail what they've done and I'd imagine Nat's BS detector is pretty well tuned by now.

Edit: To those who haven't done something like this, I'd have LOVED to have gone to the KGC when I first looked into who they were and what they did. After you've spent a huge chunk of time researching something, it's nice to get a proper feel for what you've invested the time in.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:48 PM
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I really don't see what you stand to gain from this visit, other than your fee.

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Okay, I'm done responding on this matter. If people want to help, let's get focused on questions for AP.

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I just think you might end up regretting this visit, and not in a "violence/fear for your life" kind of way.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:48 PM
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Nat,

Can you ask them something like "Why did you continually lie to the public and cover things up when you knew there was cheating going on?"

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I thought the latest wisdom was that AJ Green was the one who did most of the stonewalling (or authorized others to do so). If so, that pretty much explains "why".
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:48 PM
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Yea if money isn't an issue either

a) donate it all to charity
b) give it to people who lost to the cheaters

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I was planning on giving away part of it. But I am putting off a number of business deals because of this whole thing and the trip would probably push everything of mine back at least three weeks. I won't do that for free. But anyone else who is suitable (such as Adanthar) can definitely take my place if AP and the replacement agrees. Then I can get back to working on my businesses that I run.
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