Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)

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So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.



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yeah thats pretty retarded.

The one hand that preys on my mind the most is the one where hte pot is like $500, cheater bets $5500, and THE GRINDER pushes for $90 more and cheater folds, that leaves such a taste in my mouth it makes me feel ill.

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So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.



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If this [censored] is an official statement I dont see how this can NOT be an inside job.

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see my post above for why this is NOT an official AP statement

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i know that my HH doesnt prove anything - but still, look at adanthars comments! Have you ever seen a guy step this little out of line, ever?

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fwiw, someting defo stinks here, but those hands you posted dont support the cheating thing at all, in my mind.

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Minus the first two hands at the FT where I don't think he was cheating, the HH from 8 handed to 4 handed lasts 26 hands.

In total, he folded PF 5 times. One was when he called a raise and then folded to CM's squeeze behind. Of the other four, two were open folds and two were folds to a raise in front.

The raises in front were QQ 1x and JJ 1x. When he open folded, people behind him had AA 1x and KK 1x.

He also open limped on the button once (there were no other open limps in this HH), with 97s vs. what turned out to be KJo.

[obvv]

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i know that my HH doesnt prove anything - but still, look at adanthars comments! Have you ever seen a guy step this little out of line, ever?

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its the little things like not pushing on the chopped board,and the Q10call, sure, it might have been math-correct to call knowing the cards, but you wouldn't do that if you knew the cards, even if u were the biggest retard ever, that kinda stuff, I guess it could be "cover play" to hide it up, but it seems like whatever your opinion is on the matter, you can manipulate those hands to support it, whereas with all the other data, it seems 100% clear cut.

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its the little things like not pushing on the chopped board,and the Q10call, sure, it might have been math-correct to call knowing the cards, but you wouldn't do that if you knew the cards, even if u were the biggest retard ever

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"I have a 10:1 chip lead and see their cards, let's get this over with so I can go eat dinner"

this is also the justification for the T high turn call

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i know that my HH doesnt prove anything - but still, look at adanthars comments! Have you ever seen a guy step this little out of line, ever?

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its the little things like not pushing on the chopped board,and the Q10call, sure, it might have been math-correct to call knowing the cards, but you wouldn't do that if you knew the cards, even if u were the biggest retard ever, that kinda stuff, I guess it could be "cover play" to hide it up, but it seems like whatever your opinion is on the matter, you can manipulate those hands to support it, whereas with all the other data, it seems 100% clear cut.

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lol, I would manipulate non-evidence hands? omg dude. I can prove these HHs in any given trial, I just got them today from AP ffs

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i know that my HH doesnt prove anything - but still, look at adanthars comments! Have you ever seen a guy step this little out of line, ever?

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its the little things like not pushing on the chopped board,and the Q10call, sure, it might have been math-correct to call knowing the cards, but you wouldn't do that if you knew the cards, even if u were the biggest retard ever, that kinda stuff, I guess it could be "cover play" to hide it up, but it seems like whatever your opinion is on the matter, you can manipulate those hands to support it, whereas with all the other data, it seems 100% clear cut.

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lol, I would manipulate non-evidence hands? omg dude. I can prove these HHs in any given trial, I just got them today from AP ffs

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hi sorry, you misunderstood, when i said "manipulate", i didn't mean you actually changed the info, and when i said "you", i wasn't referring to you per-se, I meant that someone who thought he was cheating could use that info in them to support their claim, and vice versa... whereas with most of the other myriad of data in this thread, its very very very hard to make a case for him not cheating.

Sorry for the confusion.

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I found this article which explains everything:

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The online gambling industry has been hit hard this week after rumors a major online poker room might be cheating their players. The allegations involve everything from a Super User account that can be used to see all players down cards (so long as their not using a Kryptonite Hard Drive) to rumors of a disgruntled former card room employee using a NL Holdem genie to grant his every wish (The player still loses at Fixed Limit because no genies exist outside of the NL sector). When interviewed about the allocation an employee of the card room in question said that the allegations are absurd and that 999 out of every 1000 players can not see their opponents down cards. When asked how one could be lucky enough to join the elite club of the 0.01% with the privilege the interviewee was directed to the VIP section of the website. The player who had conducted this interview was highly disappointed to find that the maximum VIP reward he could find on the site was 26” LCD monitor, no mention of the said down card viewer could be found.

As if this was not enough the industry was hit with a much larger blow regarding sports betting. This week several absolute mortal locks such as the Saints over the Bucks, the colts -7 over the Titans and the Bengals moneyline all lost, plus we seen other near locks (certainly plays of the week all go down). Rumors began surfacing on a popular forum, whose site name adds up to 4, that these games must be rigged. At first the officials were blamed, then the teams themselves. Others tried linking the down card viewer (slash super user account) scandal at poker to this obvious NFL fix.

While it seemed like a stretch to link the two scandals together at first we at CZZ Sports News were shocked to learn that the two are very likely related. Early this morning Joe Smith of Vegas Bookies 711 (the company who sets betting lines for near the entire industry) was caught red handed by federal authorities entering his time machine while holding a sports almanac. While it’s yet to be confirmed there are now rumors that he is also behind the online poker scandal. It’s believed Mr Smith was playing hands in advanced dumping lots of chips and would head back in time to gain information on how to play the hands differently. While this is pure speculation it is likely Mr. Smith knew his winning streak in sports betting would soon be discovered as it was open to a much wider audience, but he figured he could move from poker room to poker room and with thousands of tables to chose from he could skim plenty of cash along they way while going undetected. Poker and Sports betting enthusiasts will be happy to know that if convicted of conspiracy to commit gambling related crimes while using time travel he could find himself locked up for a minimum of 15 years and a maximum of 40.

It is a dark day for the entire gambling industry, once we regroup here and over come this depressed state we are in we will report more on this story.

Update: John Martin, CEO of leading online casino, Lucky Dragon Ace 10, said we are thrilled that the online poker and sports betting industries were finally exposed for the shams they are. We here have always avoided these products and want to let our clients know that we still pay 1.5 on a winning black jack and do not (nor have we ever nor will we in the future ever) employ any form of time travel in our operations.


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So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping, or any other improper activity.



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If this [censored] is an official statement I dont see how this can NOT be an inside job.

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see my post above for why this is NOT an official AP statement

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Then you should really tell her to stop yapping