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Old 08-18-2007, 11:59 PM
saskaman saskaman is offline
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Default suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

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Sorry for lack of hand conversion...

SB -Hero - AKs
Button raises to $4
Hero 3-bets to $11
BB folds

flop - 3s, 10h, 7s

Hero checks, button bets $8, Hero raises all in, button calls

Spew? Standard?
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:01 AM
sh58 sh58 is offline
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

hmmm, strange line, why not Cbet, then shove if he raises.
your checkraise is a little big isn't it
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

Villain was CBing everything and I thought this was a good play at the time. I had 180 on the table and had not c/r to this point.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:38 AM
idontlikeyou idontlikeyou is offline
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

Doesnt a smaller checkraise accomplish the same thing? Villian only calls with a hand you're only flipping with or worse. If villian has a set you have outs but its -ev, if villian has top pair and shares his kicker with you you're not in as good as shape as you would like to be. BUT then again you absolutely want calls from QT type of hands.

Can anyone advocate for something other than shoving all in here?
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

Shoving here is really the only way to go on this flop. I prefer to b3b AI, but if I were to CR it would be AI.

The only reason is that if you check raise smaller, and get called and the turn bricks, it can be really awkward because now you still have the same draw, pot is huge and your equity just went way down.

Just get it in on the flop and save yourself the hassle.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

make it 14-15 preflop...less than 3x OOP is basically bad because they're getting implied odds with a lot of hands.

i would just bet flop and shove any turn.
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Old 08-19-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

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Villian only calls with a hand you're only flipping with or worse. If villian has a set you have outs but its -ev, if villian has top pair and shares his kicker with you you're not in as good as shape as you would like to be.

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which is why instead of that huge checkraise you just cbet, he can has disbeleif pretty easily on that board and bluffraise you or raise you light, in which case you 3push and have good equity plus tons of outs against his range. Plus if he just folds to your cbet thats fine too since your hands not made, and if he calls you can twobarrell pretty safely even if you miss.

also i second what nuggetz said, bigger 3bet preflop
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:40 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

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Can anyone advocate for something other than shoving all in here?

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Bet flop, bet turn and shove the river if you hit. Or if you hit your FD and he is aggro, bet only 1/3 of the pot on the river to induce bluff-reraises from him.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:05 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

Preflop is pretty bad because you give him good odds to call with more or less anything.

Flop looks pretty good, although I doubt u have much FE, but I still think most Villain's fold middl pair here and it's not tragic if they don't.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: suited AK with flush draw on flop...standard?

People who are suggesting 3-betting the flop aren't taking stack sizes into consideration.
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