Liberty Dollar office raided

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You've completely missed my point.

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The feeling is mutual, I can assure you.

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Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two.

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Why are people jumping to conclusions about the reasons behind this raid when it does not seem to be clear? Federal agents have claimed that the money and properties seized in the raid was linked to money laundering, mail fraud and wire fraud. If thats correct then I certainly dont see a problem with it.


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I'm just curious, is the possible charge that people were using liberty dollars to commit money laundering or that the people involved at the actual liberty mint were engaged in money laundering? Isnt this what happened to e-gold too? Bad people were using the money and so the whole operation had to be shut down? Is this enough to shut down a minting operation, cause I dont see the government shutting down their own operations when they find people have laundered their bills.

[ZeroPointMachine]

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Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all.

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I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with.

You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening.

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Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today.

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I would just like to say that all those who participated in this raid are doing their job, and they deserve . . . their paychecks in federal reserve notes.

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Beat me to it.

The agents were doing their jobs. When you're in law enforcement, and a search warrant lands on your desk, you have two choices; serve it or lose your job because of insubordination.

I'm guessing if you went through everything these men and women went through to obtain positions as federal agents, you'd choose the former.

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And that makes them evil.

[DblBarrelJ]

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Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all.

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I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with.

You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening.

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Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today.

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Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something?

[AlexM]

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And before you tell me the two aren't comparable, what do you think those FBI and SS men would have done had the guys at Liberty Dollar tried to defend themselves and their property?

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Im curious about Borodogs involvement and knowledge about Liberty Dollar as he can be so certain that they are totally innocent and havent broken any law, and that this raid against them is comparable to actions carried out by members of the Nazi regime in Germany.

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Whether or not they've broken a law is irrelevant unless it was something violent.

[Borodog]

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And before you tell me the two aren't comparable, what do you think those FBI and SS men would have done had the guys at Liberty Dollar tried to defend themselves and their property?

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Im curious about Borodogs involvement and knowledge about Liberty Dollar as he can be so certain that they are totally innocent and havent broken any law, and that this raid against them is comparable to actions carried out by members of the Nazi regime in Germany.

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I didn't claim they haven't broken any law, have I?

I couldn't care less if they've broken an immoral law or twenty. There is no moral obligation to obey immoral laws, and enforcing immoral laws just because they are laws and "it's your job" makes one evil. imo.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

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Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all.

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I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with.

You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening.

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Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today.

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Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something?

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How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them?

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And that makes them evil.

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Yeah, enforcing laws made through a system that the vast majority of the people seem to be generally in favor of clearly makes them evil. And any comparisons to other societies where the people seemed to support genocide of people based on ethnicity or political or religious beliefs are of course warranted, any law or system that you disagree with is obviously comparable to the worst systems and laws imaginable...