2 hands against FLIPokeHer 10/20

berserk · #1 10-12-2007, 07:28 PM

FT 10/20, Villain in both hands is FLIPokeHer, TAG who I don't have any history with and don't know much about, 23/17.

I hate how I played both of these. The first one happened before the second, though on a different table. I certainly think the first one affects the second, so I'm showing the results for the first, but I would like comments on both.

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First - Turn pot bet really threw me off, he made it fast as well, and I felt like it was very often a Ahx type of hand. And river, well it sucks, but I'm a station so I called.

MP ($1015)
CO ($4763)
Button ($2317)
SB ($2304)
Hero ($2170)
UTG ($5121.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $70, 1 fold, Hero calls $50.

Flop: ($150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $100, Hero calls $100.

Turn: ($350) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $350, Hero calls $350.

River: ($1050) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $540, Hero calls $540.

Final Pot: $2130

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8d 8h (one pair, eights).
Button has 7h Ah (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins $2130. 
2)

Second - I of course 3bet sometimes (mostly). I think I should have bet the turn as well given the board (bet/call or bet/fold?). Given that I checked, what do you do? And what do you do on blank rivers? 9/A rivers? Spade rivers? Original raiser was OtisRush (30/15 weird guy)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($2031)
BB ($3543)
UTG ($2274)
MP ($1970)
Hero ($5296.50)
Button ($3517)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $70, Hero calls $70, Button calls $70, 2 folds.

Flop: ($240) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $160, Button calls $160, MP folds.

Turn: ($560) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $360, Hero

Assume that if you call, you check a blank river and villain bets $840. Also note that villain may think I'm a station based off the first hand (it happened about 10 minutes prior); also note bet sizing differences between the 2 rivers (and that he had the nuts in hand 1).

thelazyburglar33 · #2 10-12-2007, 11:50 PM

In the first hand you never define your hand at any point and you are only beating a stone cold bluff. Check fold the turn in my opinion. WHere are the hand results? I do not see them.

berserk · #3 10-13-2007, 05:38 PM

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In the first hand you never define your hand at any point and you are only beating a stone cold bluff. Check fold the turn in my opinion. WHere are the hand results? I do not see them.

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Thanks, i did not realize i was only beating a bluff

Terkman · #4 10-13-2007, 07:41 PM

do you always bet the flop in hand 2?

AAismyfriend · #5 10-13-2007, 07:46 PM

I call and see what the river brings, and often c/c a blank. He has a draw more often than a KJ type hand I think.

berserk · #6 10-13-2007, 09:29 PM

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do you always bet the flop in hand 2?

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Certainly not, i suppose you are advocating check call, but I think we would have even less info than we do with my line

Chaoslord · #7 10-13-2007, 11:19 PM

wow, you really are a station [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

klownage · #8 10-14-2007, 02:11 AM

yeah, a lot of this seems pretty spewy without a specific read

Btch_Im_Cuter · #9 10-14-2007, 10:11 AM

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In the first hand you never define your hand at any point and you are only beating a stone cold bluff. Check fold the turn in my opinion. WHere are the hand results? I do not see them.

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Thanks, i did not realize i was only beating a bluff

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berserk · #10 10-14-2007, 05:05 PM

Thoughts on betting turn in 2nd hand?