KK can i call here profitably?

[Monster207]

I really butchered this hand and felt like I had gotten a little to much into a fancy play syndrome. Anyway, do you guys call the river bet? villain was somewhat loose aggressive but not out of control. Do you lead the flop here?



Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $9.60
BB: $6.00
UTG: $16.60
CO: $11.50
Hero (BTN): $17.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.35</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.50</font>

HERO?
Pot Size: $3.35

[bsball8806]

No, not really

[relativity_x]

yes, you have to call as played.

You played the hand very badly though.

Preflop: You should re-raise to 1.20.

Flop: 3/4 PSB

Turn: (assuming he calls flop) bet/fold

[Nick C]

Yeah, I call the river. Villain was probably either getting fancy himself on the flop or was scared of the ace like you are. And it's hard to say which.

I think the flop check is fine, basically. I mean, you have no idea what Villain has, but he doesn't know what you have either, and the check does at least allow Villain to convince himself that his QQ or TT might be good after all -- which is fine, so long as he follows up with callable bets like he did.

Also, raising preflop and then checking after flopping a monster is a thing that a lot of players like to do, so I would be a little wary here, while also hoping I can get to showdown.

If we knew Villain would immediately checkraise his top pair and better hands in response to a flop bet, then there would be something to be said for betting now instead of checking and trying to negotiate two more streets before showdown. But we don't know that, and I think the flop check is fine.

[vixticator]

Eh, I'd call against moderately aggro player. Too many people bet Jacks on turn and river after you check behind flop, they don't understand that it's a bad idea to bet them in this situation. You definitely have to raise preflop. Betting flop can go either way, if you check have to call turn obv.

[Monster207]

thanks preflop is definitely terrible.
I do think check is ok and a bet is ok as well. I felt that
villain was capable of check raising me here with a hand thats worse than an A. Hence the check... I
guess that ties me into calling on the river though cause like vixitcator said if he is aggro enough its a call. thanks all

[Chicago Twister]

checking this flop is standard, betting is often bluffing

[Nemesis69]

You should 3 bet preflop. That way it's much easier to play this hand.

[brandysbich]

Preflop = vomit...3bet pre

As played call turn and river

[ryang]

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yes, you have to call as played.

You played the hand very badly though.

Preflop: You should re-raise to 1.20.

Flop: 3/4 PSB

Turn: (assuming he calls flop) bet/fold

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