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Can't we just make a sticky that says, "Hang on to your cards until you get the money!"??? We have three or four posts per day on this.

OP, you owe TT thanks, because most of us would not bother to read your clump of text without his edit job.

[B840]

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1. Use paragraphs
2. What "casino"?
3. Player A should yell when dealer is dragging his "blind bet" into the center.
4. Player A should not let dealer touch his cards until he is awarded the pot.
5. Use paragraphs
6. How do you get a side pot of $80 when the river was bet & call? Sounds a bit fishy.

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You're right. The third player was all in, that's why there was a side pot. This was at Garden City in San Jose.

Player A did not try to talk to Player C at all. Player C was an older Indian Gentleman. I think if player A asked nicely he would have paid him for the pot. I was sitting to the right of player A. The floor man didn't even ask player C if he wanted to pay for the pot. Player C was on my right and he mentioned that he would have to buy more chips, but somehow it got in his mind that "hey, wait a minute, maybe I could get away wihtout having to pay this guy." Terrible angleshooter

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To be a little clearer:

1. Dealer should not have put Player A's blind bet into the pot.

2. As soon as his bet was prematurely scooped into the pot, Player A should have said something. At a minimum, Player A should have stopped the action as soon as he noticed there were no chips in front of his cards.

3. Even if he did not notice that there were no chips in front of him, he should not have protected his hand from the dealer's grabbing them.

4. Because Player C was all in and the matter was going to be reviewed by the floor, Player A should have asked for the chips to be put aside.

5. Once Player C is permitted to play with those chips, he cannot be forced to go into his pocket to pay back Player A.

What did Player A do once he made his cocky blind bet before the river? Did he do a Phil Laak impression or close his eyes or somehow ignore what was going on on the table. There were plenty of chances for him to correct this before it got to the point where Player C was felted again. He didn't protect his cards, his action or his pot.

[B840]

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To be a little clearer:

1. Dealer should not have put Player A's blind bet into the pot.

2. As soon as his bet was prematurely scooped into the pot, Player A should have said something. At a minimum, Player A should have stopped the action as soon as he noticed there were no chips in front of his cards.

3. Even if he did not notice that there were no chips in front of him, he should not have protected his hand from the dealer's grabbing them.

4. Because Player C was all in and the matter was going to be reviewed by the floor, Player A should have asked for the chips to be put aside.

5. Once Player C is permitted to play with those chips, he cannot be forced to go into his pocket to pay back Player A.

What did Player A do once he made his cocky blind bet before the river? Did he do a Phil Laak impression or close his eyes or somehow ignore what was going on on the table. There were plenty of chances for him to correct this before it got to the point where Player C was felted again. He didn't protect his cards, his action or his pot.

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The guy was not very experienced. When the dealer pulled in his blind bet he must not have known what was going on. It was a really awkward situation. Player A was sitting at the table when the floorman gave him the decision. Player C was standing behind both of them. The floorman was firm with his decision.

I strongly beleive that all player A had to do to get his money was to ask player A, "so do you wanna go to the ATM to pay me back for that pot?" Like I mentioned before, player C was an older Indian gentleman. He looked like a software engineer. He was a bad player but he seemed like he was just trying to have fun.

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The guy was not very experienced. When the dealer pulled in his blind bet he must not have known what was going on.

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I hate to say he deserved it, but the blind bet is a cocky move by a player who (1) wants it to look like he is strong or (2) actually is strong but wants to cause some confusion in the other players. A true live poker novice would never have known he could bet in the dark like that. [I guess he could have picked it up on TV if was a young wanabee.]

Regardless, he deserves at least some of the blame for not being observant. If I was Player C and was not aware of what was going on during the hand in question, I would not voluntarily give back the money -- definitely not if it wasn't on the table.

[Dranoel]

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The guy was not very experienced. When the dealer pulled in his blind bet he must not have known what was going on.

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I hate to say he deserved it, but the blind bet is a cocky move by a player who (1) wants it to look like he is strong or (2) actually is strong but wants to cause some confusion in the other players. A true live poker novice would never have known he could bet in the dark like that. [I guess he could have picked it up on TV if was a young wanabee.]

Regardless, he deserves at least some of the blame for not being observant. If I was Player C and was not aware of what was going on during the hand in question, I would not voluntarily give back the money -- definitely not if it wasn't on the table.

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What he said. Spot on.

[Warren Harding]

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It is completely standard for bets to scooped into the pot, so there is no reason to expect a player to speak up when this happens.

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Where do you play?
They are never scooped until they are called.

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It is also standard to place your hand face up in front of you to let the cards speak and the dealer do her job.


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Her job is to kill the loosing hands before touching the winning hand.
If you let her grab your cards before she has mucked the loosers, you are asking for trouble when she misreads your hand, mucks it, and nobody can verify what you had.

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In an ideal world you would be right. But, these imperfections occur all the time; dealers grab bets early and cards in whichever order based on convenience and miscellaneous factors. It is unreasonable to expect a rank and file non-serious player to be obliged to halt play for such minor technical minutia. The player deserves our sympathy, not blame or negative speculations about his character.

In Casino San Pablo in Northern California, for example, dealers tend to grab the winning hand first, bring it to the board, separate the useful board cards, then verify each losing hand. Not every room will the dealers robotically follow the protocols we individually take for granted.

[frommagio]

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Please don't tell me to use paragraphs.

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And why can't we tell you to use paragraphs? It's just rude to splat out your thoughts in a pile of trash, leaving everybody else to sift through it.

Who are you, anyway? Society paid for your K-12 education; where's our return?

[frommagio]

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Player A is an idiot.

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Player A is OP.

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Well, I agree that Player A was an idiot. And OP is clearly an idiot. Of course, there's no proof that they're in fact the same idiot.

But that's where I'm putting my money.

[B840]

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Player A is an idiot.

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Player A is OP.

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Well, I agree that Player A was an idiot. And OP is clearly an idiot. Of course, there's no proof that they're in fact the same idiot.

But that's where I'm putting my money.

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I don't usually post in this forumn. This was an interesting topic, that's why I decided to post it. I don't know how the hell you guys can come to the conclusion that I was player A. I don't like to be called an idiot. I know it's been said thousands of times, but... You [censored] kids talk hella [censored] over the internet.