Cheaters, drunks, hand lotion, tissues: Long TR + Cliff Notes

[Phat Mack]

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Stopped reading when there was no sexytime report.

Good report.

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The wife and I are both over 40 and overweight. You DO NOT WANT a sexytime report.

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Yeah, but you get there at 3:30, and then the time 'til 5:00 is completely unaccounted for. The imagination runs wild.

(I thought GoJo was the stuff I cleaned my hands with after I worked on my car. You seem to have broadened their market position.)

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any time i have pointed out what i thought was a marked card, i have some how become the bad guy. usually the dealer and floor act annoyed and the other players think you are the cheater. no win situation.

[One Outer]

I haven't been to Hinckley or Mille Lacs, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that the rooms suck and the locals try to cheat. Largely the same story in Turtle Lake, but I don't think the room is as bad as this.

[Mr Rick]

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any time i have pointed out what i thought was a marked card, i have some how become the bad guy. usually the dealer and floor act annoyed and the other players think you are the cheater. no win situation.

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Truly amazing. Which I guess points out just how little logic these other players must be applying to their game. Or else they are all in on it...

[Milo]

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Nice TR. By any chance does the mark look like this:



It doesn't show well, but it's slightly crescent-shaped, seems to match a fingernail. Or the edge of a chip.

Same thing?

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The ace I mentioned near the end of my report, that I ignored, looked like this. It was the least obvious. On the others, the crease was longer and deeper, but yes, this is about how the marks looked.

[ledfoot]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

You wear those sunglasses in the bedroom too? That explains her lack of interest.

By the way, Kenny was quite irritated at you on Friday night. You sat next to him at a 6-12 game. Well done. He's one of the most annoying, obnoxious, overconfident SOBs around.

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The ace I mentioned near the end of my report, that I ignored, looked like this. It was the least obvious. On the others, the crease was longer and deeper, but yes, this is about how the marks looked.

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Hmm. Well, I had an ongoing situation with these marks showing up in my home games, usually on aces and other random cards. It didn't seem to be of any use to anybody. "Ooh, he might have an ace of spades! Or a trey of clubs! Or a seven of hearts! Or..." It was weighted to big cards, but not exclusive to them. And there's no discernible pattern.

After some Matlocking and swapping out setups and tracking who was at what table when, I narrowed it down to two people. By that time I was completely fed up with it, so I let the whole group know what was going on and what I had been doing to monitor it, assuring them that it didn't seem useful at all. I probably should have waited 'til I narrowed it to one person, but even then you can't prove a negative for everybody else. And I was tired of buying new setups.

I couldn't easily reproduce it, but I was trying with a fingernail. Some have suggested that perhaps people are enthusiastically checking on their cards with a chip in their hand. I find it hard to believe it's accidental, but it could just be someone with sharp fingernails excited about a big hand. In the end we all figured, if it was intentional, it was about the stupidest form of marking ever. Useful marking would be on the edges in various locations, not randomly in the middle.

Since then, I've noticed similar marks on a lot of cards in the cardroom. They're everywhere. And they're of no use.

tl;dr - don't worry about it.

[Milo]

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The ace I mentioned near the end of my report, that I ignored, looked like this. It was the least obvious. On the others, the crease was longer and deeper, but yes, this is about how the marks looked.

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Hmm. Well, I had an ongoing situation with these marks showing up in my home games, usually on aces and other random cards. It didn't seem to be of any use to anybody. "Ooh, he might have an ace of spades! Or a trey of clubs! Or a seven of hearts! Or..." It was weighted to big cards, but not exclusive to them. And there's no discernible pattern.

After some Matlocking and swapping out setups and tracking who was at what table when, I narrowed it down to two people. By that time I was completely fed up with it, so I let the whole group know what was going on and what I had been doing to monitor it, assuring them that it didn't seem useful at all. I probably should have waited 'til I narrowed it to one person, but even then you can't prove a negative for everybody else. And I was tired of buying new setups.

I couldn't easily reproduce it, but I was trying with a fingernail. Some have suggested that perhaps people are enthusiastically checking on their cards with a chip in their hand. I find it hard to believe it's accidental, but it could just be someone with sharp fingernails excited about a big hand. In the end we all figured, if it was intentional, it was about the stupidest form of marking ever. Useful marking would be on the edges in various locations, not randomly in the middle.

Since then, I've noticed similar marks on a lot of cards in the cardroom. They're everywhere. And they're of no use.

tl;dr - don't worry about it.

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Maybe, but the ones I saw Saturday were on Aces, Kings and Queens only. At one point I saw one of them in the hand of the player next to me. I waited until after the hand was over to tell the dealer, and while I folded, and would have folded anyway, I was privy to information that may have changed the way I played the hand had I been in it.

In 1300+ hours at CP I've seen exactly one card marked in this manner. It was an A, and I pointed it out to the dealer. He couldn't see the mark and mixed it into the deck. The next night I was dealt the same card (as unlikely as that seems). This time, I announced the card and suit exactly without touching it.

The "random marking" is not an issue with me. At some places (Luxor, for example) the backs of all the cards are scuffed and worn. It would be very difficult to make any sense of the wear marks there, so I don't worry about it. Also, I'm a bit spoiled. Cards at CP are essentially pristine, and even the slightest flaw has them pulled.

[Milo]

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

You wear those sunglasses in the bedroom too? That explains her lack of interest.

By the way, Kenny was quite irritated at you on Friday night. You sat next to him at a 6-12 game. Well done. He's one of the most annoying, obnoxious, overconfident SOBs around.

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Sometimes I talk too much.

[BigBuffet]

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Anyone remember the Heartland Poker Tour a few months ago? The events I played in they had blackjack dealers who'd never dealt poker before dealing with 20 and 30 minute rounds.

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Sounds like every HPT tourny. Poker rooms Indian casinos suck for tournaments period.

While I like the Saturday Hinckley donkfest, I still crunge at having to go there because the dealers are terrible. They blind levels are 20 minutes, so the dealers stop in the middle of hands to engage a local in some stupid hick town effin story. In general they deal slow. They can't add or make sidepots half the time. One dealer (female, first letter of first name is C) picks up folded pocket cards and says "let's see if I woulda played these..." all the while giving seats 1 and 10 a good view.

Anyway, the players at Hinckley are either bad tourists who can be beat or bad locals who can be beat despite their inept collusion [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]