K-K facing flop bet - villan put in 4th raise PF

[ACG2x]

1/2 NL live. Hero has just been moved from a broken game and has only seen villan play a few hands. Villan showed down nut straight on hand I arrived during. I only caught the action from the turn on when villan SC'ed the turn (when he hit) and raised the river which was a blank. Other than that, villan has mucked and I have virtually no read.

Hero's stack- $360
Villan's stack- $500

7-handed game. Hero is in CO-1 with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Raise from EP to $6. Villan r/r to $18. Hero 3-bets to $44. Folds around (including EP) to villan who 4-bets to $84 total. Hero calls.

Total pot: $172 (subtracted $4 rake and $1 jackpot)

Flop is A-Q-2 rainbow. Villan bets $20.

Hero would like to know two things-

1) - As played, action on flop?

2) - Should I have shoved to villan's last PF r/r to $84 total?

[spyderracing]

Shove it PF please. As played call the flop bet and let him bet himself in. AK/AA are less likely due to the A on the flop, and you pretty much comitted yourself PF anyways.

[keikiwai]

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Shove it PF please. As played call the flop bet and let him bet himself in. AK/AA are less likely due to the A on the flop, and you pretty much comitted yourself PF anyways.

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i'd call flop just cause it's so tiny, but i'm pretty much ready to fold if he bets bigger at any point

all aces and QQ beat you

if he has JJ and lower he's prob trying to get to showdown for cheap

[spyderracing]

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Shove it PF please. As played call the flop bet and let him bet himself in. AK/AA are less likely due to the A on the flop, and you pretty much comitted yourself PF anyways.

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i'd call flop just cause it's so tiny, but i'm pretty much ready to fold if he bets bigger at any point

all aces and QQ beat you

if he has JJ and lower he's prob trying to get to showdown for cheap

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Errr yea didn't notice the Q on the flop (NASTY FORMAT!) In that case I'm probably folding to further agg.

[thedustbustr]

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Shove it PF please. As played call the flop bet and let him bet himself in. AK/AA are less likely due to the A on the flop, and you pretty much comitted yourself PF anyways.

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QQ is less likely too. but i bet AK/QQ+ still makes up much more of his range than JJ

nobody live 3bets JJ anyway unless they are pretty short.

i sorta kinga want to fold, because we're gonna want to call 30 more on the turn, and another 30 on the river just to see if he has JJ.

[thedustbustr]

fwiw you had odds to call on set value alone vs AA, but other than that folding KK pre live, with reads is not a big deal.