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Old 11-14-2006, 02:44 PM
OTRise OTRise is offline
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

Make a strong fold here. He is going to jack it up with a set/made flush/two pair/st8/air. I think that he rarly does this with air in this situation because even though he may be getting "fed up" with you, most opponnents will pick a better spot than a mono-tone board with air to risk such a substantial amount of money on air, to win a minimal amount in a hand where they suspect that you feel they are getting fed up at them.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

I've been pushing in spots like this a lot lately and in general getting stacked off [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] For some reason, though, his line actually doesn't convey a huge amounts of strength to me, and I disagree with those saying his range is weighted heavily towards sets and flushes. I would not be at all surprised to see a one pair-type hand there against which we're good (sort of) given OP's description of table dynamics. I would probably end up pushing here both a semi-bluff and for value.

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Old 11-14-2006, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

His raise looks like a bluff. This is very important. He's jacking up a 200 bet 5x. Why would he do this with a hand that he thinks has a good possibility of being best, IE: Top pair +flush draw etc. Instead he would make a normal reasonable raise to maybe 600. This looks like a case where hes making his bet look like a bluff, hoping the hero sees it as a raise of frustration and will push back with Overpair+flush draw, just Overpair etc. Or, it really is a bluff, in which case he will be giving up after that raise, so your risking your whole 4000 to take down that 1200 of his, I don't like. He's not calling off your c/r with a worse hand or putting more money into the pot via a bluff. Wait for a better spot
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Old 11-14-2006, 04:50 PM
TheOldPokerDude TheOldPokerDude is offline
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

5 handed, you have a monster, this is an easy shove. I would probably fold JJ to this flop raise mind you.
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

I would fold, you re risking alot and havent invested that much.
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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I would fold, you re risking alot and havent invested that much.

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you need to adjust your thinking a little bit. What you have invested is not important-> what the pot size is. This maybe what you are getting at but thinking about it that way can -ively affect your game.

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Old 11-14-2006, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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5 handed, you have a monster, this is an easy shove. I would probably fold JJ to this flop raise mind you.

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Is this an analysis?

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Old 11-14-2006, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

Btw when I said "I dont wnt to fold" that doesnt mean its not an option. WHen I said "calling sucks" that means calling is pretty much not an option.


Results: he snap calls my push w/ Thigh flush and I never am ont he right side of the rig.

PS. in retrospect I dont think I ever get called by worse except maybe kh9 but doubtful he has that. I also dont think this is ever a bluff or semibluff for reasons stated above (A of semibluffiness is in my hand, bad board). Still not sure how often he has a 9x crap and folds but I think (results oriented of course) that its prob not often enough to mke the push profitable due to the size of the push (But its close).

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Old 11-14-2006, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

just be happy your opponent is calling with 10x hearts oop vs you.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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just be happy your opponent is calling with 10x hearts oop vs you.

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Hes in position, explain why im happy?

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