10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

[fsuplayer]

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just be happy your opponent is calling with 10x hearts oop vs you.

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Hes in position, explain why im happy?

-JP

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bc he just dumped in like 200bb's with the 5th nuts. buddy list!

[Mr_Blonde]

fold > push >>>>> call

[KRANTZ]

calling doesn't suck NEARLY as much as everyone seems to think it does

donkey makes a good pt about calling early in the thread (adding to that, though, if he's the type to pull a big bluff you should call and check/call the turn). you have nut outs, no fold equity over a better hand at all, so pushing is stupid, IMO. if a blank falls and he checks back you dont have problems, and if a heart falls, YOU HAVE THE NUTS, and if a blank falls and he pushes then you should just weigh the odds of him continuing a bare semi or pure bluff here vs the odds you're drawing to hearts (or in ace in some rare cases).

i think i would fold, then call, and rarely push.

[Mr_Blonde]

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if a heart falls, YOU HAVE THE NUTS

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The trouble with holding the 1-card nuts here is you probably aren't getting paid much more off him. 80% of the time it comes a blank though and I just feel it leaves you in a horrible spot OOP.

[xhawks]

ARRRRRRRRRR INNNNNNNNN in your best Mimi Tran voice

[KRANTZ]

it doesnt matter if you do or do not get paid off in this particular situation... dont you realize that the only way you will get "paid off" when you push the flop is if he has a flush or set and you suck out? the heart outs are irrelevant in this hand unless villain is semibluffing with a worse heart (say 9xKh) and the Ah serves as protection for us (its way better obviously to hold Ah9 in our situation than As9x or whatever)

calling isnt about getting paid, it's about considering you have the best hand and letting him continue to put money in.

there's also nothing wrong with calling and check/folding a blank turn, against some types of players.

with that said, i still fold. just trying to reinforce the argument that calling is better than shoving.

[Mr_Blonde]

If you shove and get called (by a set or flush), at least your equity is somewhere around 30% in a pot of $8K. You're getting 1.76-1 to call and see a turn, OOP, hoping a pair of 9s is good here and villain has decided to bluff at this pot but planning to check/fold to a blank turn anyway? Or are you really hoping to get to showdown with a pair of 9s and win? I agree folding is the best option, I just can't see how calling can be good at all.

[KRANTZ]

no, i would be calling and calling if i thought he was bluffing, obviously

im saying against some opponents who will sometimes be bluffing the flop and rarely follow through, it would be correct to call and check/fold the turn

[DoGGz]

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it doesnt matter if you do or do not get paid off in this particular situation... dont you realize that the only way you will get "paid off" when you push the flop is if he has a flush or set and you suck out? the heart outs are irrelevant in this hand unless villain is semibluffing with a worse heart (say 9xKh) and the Ah serves as protection for us (its way better obviously to hold Ah9 in our situation than As9x or whatever)

calling isnt about getting paid, it's about considering you have the best hand and letting him continue to put money in.

there's also nothing wrong with calling and check/folding a blank turn, against some types of players.

with that said, i still fold. just trying to reinforce the argument that calling is better than shoving.

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love this analysis

[ArmenH]

reraise all in and close your eyes