a good spot to call down?

skillzilla · #1 11-03-2006, 03:12 PM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Buzz-cp · #2 11-03-2006, 03:25 PM

Do you have a read here? You could probably fold the flop.

TomTom · #3 11-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Without a read, he either has a K or a flush draw.

Fold the flop.

Str8Fish · #4 11-03-2006, 05:45 PM

In these situations against an unknown, I peel the flop looking either for a T or an 8. I prefer to do this when I have a BDFD/BDSD handy. In your case, you have 1 out to a BDSD like 6789T or 789TJ and then also 0.5 outs to a BDSD of the JQ variety. Both of these require the 8 on the turn, though, for you to continue. So total, you have 1.5+2 = 3.5 outs (12:1) on the flop here for the times you're behind. The flop has pot odds of 8.5:1. That means that you need to be ahead here ~3% of the time to make up the difference, which is definitely possible.

So I'm ok with the flop peel. Once the turn comes and it's not an 8 and your opponent still shows aggression, you're down to 2 outs when you're behind, and probably a lesser percentage than 3% of the time that you are actually ahead. This is where it's an easy fold.

Shillx · #5 11-03-2006, 05:48 PM

No just fold the flop

Buzz-cp · #6 11-03-2006, 06:32 PM

str8, I think you are overcounting the bdsd outs, as some of those include a 4-flush on the board.

Buzz

Xhad · #7 11-03-2006, 06:38 PM

If you call the flop, it's with the intention of showing down UI unless draws start getting there. The turn completed the only obvious draw he could have, so...

btspider · #8 11-03-2006, 07:08 PM

flod folp.

Str8Fish · #9 11-03-2006, 07:16 PM

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str8, I think you are overcounting the bdsd outs, as some of those include a 4-flush on the board.

Buzz

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Oh right tx... I'm an idiot. Don't know why I didn't see that.

bozlax · #10 11-03-2006, 07:24 PM

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Don't know why I didn't see that.

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Uh, lesse...

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I'm an idiot.

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Oh, yeah, that's it.