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#1
08-14-2007, 06:21 AM
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T7o at BB
BU: 41.6/8.14/1.01 - 520 hands
0.25/0.50 Fixed-Limit Hold'em <font color="blue">(10 handed)</font> Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc. Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="grey">6 folds</font>, BU calls, SB calls, Hero checks. Flop: (4.0 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="red">BU raises</font>, <font color="grey">SB folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls. <ul type="square">Do u bet this flop? fold after raise? how many outs do i have? I have impied odds probably about 11:1, maybe more my BDFD is probably worthless so i have only 3 outs or even less? I dont know is BU smart to raise his FD at this flop ... I think have to fold after raise, right?[/list]Turn: (5.0 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BU bets</font>, <font color="grey">Hero folds</font>, UTG calls. River: (7.0 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="red">BU bets</font>, <font color="grey">UTG folds</font>. Final Pot: 8.0 BB 
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#3
08-14-2007, 08:30 AM
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Re: T7o at BB
My default play with a marginal hand like this is a check-and-see. I don't think the FD board changes my answer.
As played, I think you have to call the raise here. You have a BDSD, 3 7s, and 2 Ts; Even properly discounted you're getting close to the right odds to call... plus there is a some chance you are best right now. Presumably on the turn, villain's continued aggression makes a FD less likely; you are much more likely to be behind a better hand. Plus with UTG behind, there is the risk that you will be trapped against his raise. I think the check-and-see would have made things easier on the turn.
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#4
08-14-2007, 08:54 AM
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Re: T7o at BB
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Standard. [/ QUOTE ] The turn fold is only standard if you hate money. Hero has 12 outs vs 54 and 7 outs vs better Tx. Add to that the fact that button can easly have a flush draw or even some other crap because he is a moron. Standard turn call IMO
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#5
08-14-2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: T7o at BB
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[ QUOTE ] Standard. [/ QUOTE ] The turn fold is only standard if you hate money. Hero has 12 outs vs 54 and 7 outs vs better Tx. Add to that the fact that button can easly have a flush draw or even some other crap because he is a moron. Standard turn call IMO [/ QUOTE ] Gotta agree on the turn call w/Oink. Oink, are you calling a river bet ('cuz I am)? -J
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#6
08-14-2007, 09:26 AM
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Re: T7o at BB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Standard. [/ QUOTE ] The turn fold is only standard if you hate money. Hero has 12 outs vs 54 and 7 outs vs better Tx. Add to that the fact that button can easly have a flush draw or even some other crap because he is a moron. Standard turn call IMO [/ QUOTE ] Gotta agree on the turn call w/Oink. Oink, are you calling a river bet ('cuz I am)? -J [/ QUOTE ] That particular river is an obvious call. I would also call other ivers depending on the action and how many is still in. But as a default I dont think you should ever fold TP for 1 bet when the aggressor is an idiot
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#7
08-14-2007, 09:59 AM
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Re: T7o at BB
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[ QUOTE ] Standard. [/ QUOTE ] The turn fold is only standard if you hate money. Hero has 12 outs vs 54 and 7 outs vs better Tx. Add to that the fact that button can easly have a flush draw or even some other crap because he is a moron. Standard turn call IMO [/ QUOTE ] I missed the GS and interpreted the stat read as passive because he's playing so many hands. I would feel better about calling him down if I had seen him overplay a draw before.
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#9
08-14-2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: T7o at BB
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I think the check-and-see would have made things easier on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Flop: U check, UTG check, BTN bets, Hero calls?, UTG calls. Turn line? Check/fold? Check/call? In what way is this easier? I think it's more difficult because we have a much better chance of having the best hand in the second scenario. BTN's range is wider. We will make an expensive misstake more often on the turn by playing passive on the flop.
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