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05-30-2006, 10:43 AM
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Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. PP 6M
PP NL 100, 6-max, 6-handed
Reads: Two Villains in this hand. UTG is a loose donk, 58/12/2, gets himself in a lot of trouble. Likes to bully the table, but will back off if he gets pushed back hard. Second Villain, the CO, is a complete unknown. This is his second orbit. Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero has $120 and each Villain covers. UTG limps, CO raises to $3, Hero calls, UTG calls. I'll often raise there, but UTG is not going anywhere and I don't feel like bloating the pot when I'm OOP. Flop: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero leads for $6, UTG raises to $12, CO raises to $20, Hero...? 
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#2
05-30-2006, 10:45 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. P
I'd still push
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05-30-2006, 10:49 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. P
hero pushes with reckless abandon
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05-30-2006, 10:50 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. P
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Push or fold. And folding's no fun. [/ QUOTE ] Pushing assumes that we have at least a modicum of FE, right? Cause I'm not sure we do, though it's tough to say because Villain is new.
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#7
05-30-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. PP 6M
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I call so that UTG can come along for the ride. [/ QUOTE ] If we assume that UTG calls, Hero is getting 4 to 1 on this call to see the turn alone. That has to be considered a viable option -- even if Jam says otherwise!
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#8
05-30-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. P
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[ QUOTE ] Push or fold. And folding's no fun. [/ QUOTE ] Pushing assumes that we have at least a modicum of FE, right? Cause I'm not sure we do, though it's tough to say because Villain is new. [/ QUOTE ] IME, 4-betting all in usually has more fold equity than you would expect.
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05-30-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. P
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[ QUOTE ] Push or fold. And folding's no fun. [/ QUOTE ] Pushing assumes that we have at least a modicum of FE, right? Cause I'm not sure we do, though it's tough to say because Villain is new. [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't be surprised if QQ and KK are in CO's range and he likely (likely is probably too strong) folds those.
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#10
05-30-2006, 11:02 AM
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Re: Way OOP - Like Being Stuck Under Horatio Sanz In a Tanning Bed. PP 6M
I probably call because you know the other villain will too and those are GREAT odds for our hand. pray to god for an offsuit king and go to the bank.
Pushing is a viable option but against an unknown I generally assume they can't fold.
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