Official Party Regulars Thread

[tozzy]

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i don't understand this newfound struggle with shortstackers. They are so easy to beat. The reason they continue to make money is cause people hate laying down AJs or TT to 20 blinds. The 600nl shortstackers always either fold or shove, so implied odds are completely out of the equation. So playing against these guys is just regular math. If you see a guy who's 7/7/inf, all you have to do is call with like top 3.5% hands like AA-JJ AKs and AK. Stay ahead of range and profit.

Edit: Adjust range if you were original raiser. If you open for 3.5xbb and he shoves for 20 big blinds, you're getting 1.4:1 (58/42) on your money so you call with 58% of his range (7.2vpip x 0.58) = call with top 4%. Also account for dead money: Blinds, calls behind original raise, etc have a larger affect here because pots are so small. (Above formula with blinds + one folded raise included = 1.7:1 on money = 64/36 = 7.2 * 0.64 = 4.6%)

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assume you are LP, openraise and a shortstacker shoves, laying down TT/AJs is a HUGE mistake and they are effectively making money of YOU.

[Eagles]

Mewse,
Your strategy for beating short stacks is retarded. Because you play way too tight and the math makes no sense at all.

[MilkMan]

i think he was talking specifically about one shortstacker who plays 7/7

[Fabian]

Wow thanks for these last two replies, I thought I had stepped right into some bizarro world where I didn't know how to play poker anymore. Calling with top 4% for 16BB with 25.5BB in the pot or whatever, wtf?

[tozzy]

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i think he was talking specifically about one shortstacker who plays 7/7

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i dont think this one shorstacker exists at 3/6 (which he is specifically talking about)

[Mr_Modo]

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I see far too many regs making really stupid mistakes and "spite calls" against them which is is just inflating their winrates too much.

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That would be me.... i beat them good when i play them hu though, most of them suck at hu shortstack play.

Also i think inco_gnito folds way too much when he opens in a steal pos. and faces a push, seems like he folds 9/10 then.

[tozzy]

some of them will openraise/fold 10/10 cause they minraise their monsters and push anything else.

[ellys]

Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $600
BB: $674.50
UTG: $2,796.35
MP: $1,502
Hero (CO): $900.25
BTN: $671

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $21</font>, Hero calls $21, 3 folds

Flop: ($51) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $45</font>, MP calls $45

Turn: ($141) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $120</font>, MP calls $120

River: ($381) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $714.25 and is All-In</font>, MP calls $714.25

Results: $1,809.50 Pot ($3.50 Rake)
MP showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pairs, Aces and Fours) and WON $1,806 (+$905.75 NET)
Hero mucked 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Twos) and LOST (-$900.25 NET)

i should just nit it up to 15/11 i guess

who is baconburger ??

[Christophers]

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I see far too many regs making really stupid mistakes and "spite calls" against them which is is just inflating their winrates too much.

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That would be me.... i beat them good when i play them hu though, most of them suck at hu shortstack play.

Also i think inco_gnito folds way too much when he opens in a steal pos. and faces a push, seems like he folds 9/10 then.

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Yeah, the ATSB stat is great for this too. I think AutoCallON is another one does the same thing.

[tozzy]

Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $1,193.50
BB: $634.70
UTG: $600
Hero (CO): $1,095.50
BTN: $2,458.85

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $15, BTN folds, SB calls $12, BB calls $9

Flop: ($60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $41</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $41

Turn: ($142) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $60</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $151</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $544 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $393

River: ($1,230) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $1,230 Pot ($2.50 Rake)
UTG showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (four of a kind, Jacks) and WON $1,227.50 (+$627.50 NET)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Tens full of Jacks) and LOST (-$600 NET)


oneeeee time dealer, COME on.