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#12
11-10-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: 50/100 Foxwoods JJ
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why did you raise that turn? [/ QUOTE ] Against the player described: [ QUOTE ] this hand is against a guy who generally plays bad, but can be spazzy when he tilts and overplay his hands blaming most of it on coolers etc. [/ QUOTE ] I think that the turn raise is a fine value raise. Most people will go for the check/raise here with turned trips. JJ is well ahead of Villain's range. 
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#14
11-10-2007, 06:39 PM
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Re: 50/100 Foxwoods JJ
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[ QUOTE ] why did you raise that turn? [/ QUOTE ] i cant see not raising the turn, im surprised u and bicylekick said call. [/ QUOTE ] i suppose against a stone idiot it is a raise, because he is not clever enough to 3bet here knowing that you don't have a 9 in your hand, and thus cannot outplay you. that said, if i'm gonna raise here, it's on the river. if he does indeed have a 9, i want to see that river card and give myself a chance to bang a jack.
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#16
11-10-2007, 11:07 PM
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Re: 50/100 Foxwoods JJ
What is his range after the turn action?
Bob and BK, are you guys betting river as well as played?
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#18
11-11-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: 50/100 Foxwoods JJ
My analysis of the hand:
[ QUOTE ] he raises UTG+1, i 3-town JJ, we take the flop HU. [/ QUOTE ] He has some sort of a hand, however his range is probably still huge given the read. I would say QJ+, KJ+, 56s+, 22+, Axs, possibly A8+. [ QUOTE ] flop 8,9, 3 rainbow he bets, i raise, he 3- bets i call. [/ QUOTE ] When he bets I put him on a pair or a draw. When he 3bets I think he doesn't want me to have a free card on the turn so he keeps betting. His range is now 44+, 9x, 8x, 3x but he raised pf so it's more tilted towards pocket pairs, A9, Ax suited (x=9, 8 or 3), 78s, 89s, 34s, 9Ts, 98s... [ QUOTE ] turn 9 he bets, i raise he calls [/ QUOTE ] As an aside, I now see why people don't raise this turn. If my range is correct, he's either go us jacked with three 9s, an over pair, or he's drawing to 2 outs (or 5 outs if he a pair and an over card). So it's likely a WA/WB. Once we raise this turn and he just calls it is very unlikely that he has a 9. Either we just froze his over pair or he he is drawing really thin. His range 44+ (probably excluding TT+ because he overplays his hands), Ax suited (x=8 or 3), 78s, 34s, but mostly pocket pairs I would think. [ QUOTE ] river A, he hesitates and checks.. i bet for value and he calls and mucks when i say my hand [/ QUOTE ] So I certainly would have raised the turn and bet this river before doing this analysis, but I think it's now closer than I realized. However I'm still leaning towards pp calling down so I bet and hope. For those that do just call the turn, what rivers are you raising?
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#20
11-11-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: 50/100 Foxwoods JJ
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live players at foxwoods like to donk the turn with j-10 alot in this spot, or some draw/crap, id raise the turn and bet basically any river. [/ QUOTE ] Do you play the flop the same? I'd much prefer to 4-bet the flop as a way to insure the appropriate action goes in for this hand.
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