[theroy-ish] 4-bet and get it in pf with QQ against tag regulars?

[AAismyfriend]

4 betting preflop/getting it in with QQ is pretty necessary if you do the same with AK. I see a lot of TAGs who ONLY 4 bet when they have AK, and will always flat a 3 bet with TT-AA. This is obviously super exploitable. If 4 betting is a part of your game you should be 4 betting to some degree with your whole range, and mixing it up between 4 bet shoving, and smaller 4 bets.

[JackAll]

Should the decision to 4-bet as opposed to calling be based more on being out of position than what hands you have? That way they can't read your hand range as well.

[Arito]

With QQ, you don't want to scare away JJ-TT. With AK, you do. So I'd be much more inclined to 4-bet AK than QQ (obviously mixing it up to not be exploitable).

[thejerkface]

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1. For the type of tag regulars that you are willing to 4-bet pf and get it in with AK pf with, do you think it's worth doing the same with QQ?


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Against the regs that I 4-bet preflop, air is a reasonable percentage of my range. Consequently, I am pretty much obligated to 4-bet QQ preflop for value a good amount of the time, as well as JJ-TT at times. The reason being is that if I didn't, my range would be too easily polarized between nuts (KK+, AK) or nothing. Additionally, even if I didn't 4-bet as often I did, it would be incredibly transparent if I only 4-bet KK+, AK and always flat called with pairs like QQ and below.

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2. Do you think this is best OOP only? If so we are flat calling a 3-bet with QQ in position, and so shouldn't we call with a wide range pf in position (i.e. blinds 3-betting you)? Like flat calling a 3-b in position with TT-AA a good percent of the time (33% ? 66% ? 100% ?), AKs/AQs/KQs and of course have to add in sc's for a nice range of semi-bluffs.


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Your 3-bet calling range should be wider in position, simply because you can apply pressure postflop and take the pot away much easier. I randomize it in position between calling and 4-betting. However, I still 4-bet hands like QQ a good amount, simply due to the fact that a lot of players 3-bet too much out of the blinds and I want to be able to punish them for that. Also, in button vs. blind battles, many blind 3-bettors seem more apt to get it in light vs. a 4-bet, b/c they feel that there's no reason for a person to 4-bet a premium hand like QQ+ when they have position. A fair amount of times, I've had the person in the blinds shove a weak pair like 77-99 or even air over my 4-bet. So, I definitely feel there is merit to 4-betting in position, including hands like JJ or QQ.

[smartalecc5]

qq=nuts

ENOUGH SAID

[Jamougha]

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Should the decision to 4-bet as opposed to calling be based more on being out of position than what hands you have? That way they can't read your hand range as well.

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No, it's easy. When they think you're going to 4-bet a real hand 4-bet air and when they think you're going to 4-bet air 4-bet QQ.

[JackAll]

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Should the decision to 4-bet as opposed to calling be based more on being out of position than what hands you have? That way they can't read your hand range as well.

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No, it's easy. When they think you're going to 4-bet a real hand 4-bet air and when they think you're going to 4-bet air 4-bet QQ.

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Lol - easy to do when you can read souls. What about the rest of us?

[luegofuego]

the rest of you... move down