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Old 11-23-2007, 11:40 PM
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Default Slate.com on race and IQ

I could just tell everyone wants to jump into this issue yet again. I will make no comments in this thread that go beyond the author's presentation of the subject.

William Saletan writes 3 pieces in Slate here, here, and here. I don't read Slate but have heard through secondary sources that they are left of center. If that's true then they should be commended for the evenhanded presentation.

To read all three will require some investment in time but you'll be paid off in the end.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:03 AM
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The third last paragraph of the final article made me smile, and it's a sign of things to come.

I can't wait till all harmful do-gooders get shown up as intellectual frauds.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:07 AM
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One man's response to Saletan: No, Blacks are not Dumber than Whites
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:57 AM
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This subject might be relevant if there was a significant difference between an IQ of 95 and 115.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:14 AM
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:21 AM
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This subject might be relevant if there was an accurate way to measure IQ

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Old 11-24-2007, 03:33 AM
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Not significant at all really, just double the difference between average Jew and non-Jewish white.

Also, the effect of a mean difference becomes more pronounced as you move away from the mean (in both directions).
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:40 AM
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Nice, but let's take it a bit further.

Imagine there are two groups with a billion people each. One group has 10,000,000 people with IQs above 130. The other group has 100,000 people with IQs above 130. Does the subject become relevant?

Now go to 150. One group has 1,000,000 people with IQs above 150. The other group has 1000 people with IQs above 150. Relevant?

Go the other way. One group has 500 million people with IQs below 75. The other group has 20 million people with IQs below 75. Relevant?

If I was to put these two groups in identical starting conditions at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago, what do you think their respective societies, technologies, literature & philosophies would look like today?
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:49 AM
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One man's response to Saletan: No, Blacks are not Dumber than Whites

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Why is this about Whites and Blacks? Why aren't these intellectual luminaries debunking the notion that Whites are dumber than Asians???

Perhaps it's because just about every one of their retarded scapegoats (culture/repression/minority status/socioeconomic status/educational attainment/nutrition) proves exactly the opposite when you look at the White/Asian differential?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:07 AM
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Nice, but let's take it a bit further.

Imagine there are two groups with a billion people each. One group has 10,000,000 people with IQs above 130. The other group has 100,000 people with IQs above 130. Does the subject become relevant?

Now go to 150. One group has 1,000,000 people with IQs above 150. The other group has 1000 people with IQs above 150. Relevant?

Go the other way. One group has 500 million people with IQs below 75. The other group has 20 million people with IQs below 75. Relevant?

Nice, but let's take it a bit further.

Imagine there are two groups with a billion people each. One group has 10,000,000 people with IQs above 130. The other group has 100,000 people with IQs above 130. Does the subject become relevant?

Now go to 150. One group has 1,000,000 people with IQs above 150. The other group has 1000 people with IQs above 150. Relevant?

Go the other way. One group has 500 million people with IQs below 75. The other group has 20 million people with IQs below 75. Relevant?

If I was to put these two groups in identical starting conditions at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago, what do you think their respective societies, technologies, literature & philosophies would look like today?


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I would expect the high IQ folks to be more technologically advanced then the lower IQ folks, but I could be wrong. Are you suggesting that American Indians, who are genetically the same as Asians, must be genetically inferior IQ wise to the rest of the civilized world because they were easily conquered by Europeans and in the 1500's on forward to modern times didnít have the literary and technological advances of the Europeans?
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