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Old 11-02-2007, 02:56 PM
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Default NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

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Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $400
UTG+1: $386
MP1: $321.50
MP2: $330.50
MP3: $404
CO: $409.20
Button: $389.80
Hero: $656.70
BB: $774.70

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises to $16</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $55</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $125</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($286, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $150</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($586, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $245</font>, Hero folds.

Villain is a good player, tagish stats, if i remember correctly like 18/8 or something. Preflop clearly says "aces" but I can pretty much call for set value, flop comes pretty but with no king and he bets fairly big, anyone lays down here? I just cant get rid of my kings so I call, on the turn he bets big again, I just cant see this being anything else than AA, good laydown?
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:05 PM
SammyG-SD SammyG-SD is offline
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

I don't see calling the flop if you are going to laydown to that turn. I go broke here, but I don't believe in the 'he has to have aces read' and have a lot of variance with my pocket Kings. Some of the better players may laydown kings here, I would like to hear from them.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

Yea I'm also sceptical about the flop call, the pot gets so big it's bigger than the stack I have left, but it's just so hard to lay down KK here.... probably one of the toughest I have done, want to hear more opinions!
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

How much does having 160BB really change this hand? If you had 100BB, you would stack off in a heartbeat. I don't think 160BB really changes anything based on our hand and the board. I would lean towards getting it in.

In any case, you need to make up your mind on the flop. Either raise or fold. Calling flop and folding turn is spew.

I'm also curious as to what others think.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

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Preflop clearly says "aces" but I can pretty much call for set value

[/ QUOTE ] Why did you abandon your read on the flop? Calling flop with your read is total spewage.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:33 PM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

Calling flop and folding turn is the worst line here IMO, you can't 150$ hoping to hit your two outer.

I fold this on the flop and I honestly think (I know I'm going to get flamed) that you could even think about folding this PF. There are not many spots in which to fold KK PF 4 betting big out of the BB, I don't think his range is really wide there...
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

I dont lay this down, if he has AA he isnt scared of any card and I think he will check behind that on turn to get bluffvalue or easier get paid on river.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

Honestly just fold preflop or felt it. You don't have set odds so [censored] that. I would felt it because I don't like to fold.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

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Honestly just fold preflop or felt it. You don't have set odds so [censored] that. I would felt it because I don't like to fold.

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Well he's getting almost 3:1 direct odds on his money with effective stacks 7.5x the raise he is calling, so it is at least close right?
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep

9.6:1 counting implied odds so it's not bad.
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