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Old 04-28-2007, 07:34 PM
ruapho ruapho is offline
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Default Overpair Sandwich

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, Hero ???

Reads: BB(8.2/6.5/5.0) Button(9.7/5.3/1.25)

Easy fold right ? Easy fold with QQ too? 3betting with KK,AA ? What are your oppinions ?
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Old 04-28-2007, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: Overpair Sandwich

reads would help here, especially on BB and it would also be great to know what you think BB thinks of you. Levels.

edit: okay, so you got reads there now...these guys are tighties, even if Button is stealing, BB is not.
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Old 04-28-2007, 07:49 PM
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if these stats are over medium+ samples (&gt;35) then I think it's a b/f or even c/f flop. our outs are not clean.
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Old 04-28-2007, 07:50 PM
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I've posted reads, both players are tight. From what i've seen on this limit, BB thinks of me as player with two holecards. If he has reads on me it will be like 14/8/4.

My first intention on this flop was to check-raise. But...you see...
My main Question is on how to play here with QQ,KK,AA.

edit: Samplesize is about 130 reads.
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Old 04-28-2007, 07:53 PM
OziBattler OziBattler is offline
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given reads, i dont think c/r is good
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Old 04-28-2007, 08:08 PM
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Default Re: Overpair Sandwich

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our outs are not clean.

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Outs ? Gutshot + two Jacks ? Even if all 6 outs are clean, this would be a fold.
And c/r is a good way of protecting and isolating on this drawy board, isn't it ?
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Old 04-28-2007, 08:17 PM
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I'm not sure what the right answer is, but here is what I am thinking

On this board, JJ is better than QQ because it gives you the gutshot draw, so you have 4-6 outs. Agreed BB probably has you beat but can you see the turn and draw profitably? i.e. does button possibly have two [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s (are 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] good)?

Black QQ against these tighties, I'd donk the flop and fold if it gets 3bet, since you then have 1-2 outs.

With KK I'd have to go ballistic on the flop, and get to showdown cheap/fold if things blow up on the turn with both opponents still in.

AA, play fast on the flop &amp; it is probably fated to showdown but there may be an inflection point later on where it's obvious you're dead.
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Old 04-29-2007, 12:27 AM
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Think you should have lead the flop. As you didn't it's difficult to gage what you now face. It looks like you're beat, but it could be stealing gone wrong! I'd call.
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Old 04-29-2007, 12:43 AM
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W/ the stats you show on villians, this seems like a pretty easy fold.
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Old 04-29-2007, 02:14 AM
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bet the damn flop
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