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Old 11-28-2007, 02:41 PM
overAchiever overAchiever is offline
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Default HU cash - theory post (raising more then 3x from button)

Hey guys, I am relativly new to headsup so still learning quite a bit.

Yesterday I ran into an opponent that pretty much called almost every time I opened 3x. I realize this is a pretty good scenario for me, but I was thinking it might be better if I instead opened 3.5x or 4x so that I might get some free money from more blinds steals while at the same time inflating the pot even more for him when he is OOP.

Also, I would have an easier time getting 100bb in against him with the slightly bigger initial pot. SINCE even POT pot pot doesn't get the opponent AI when I open 3x in a 100bb situation.

Any thoughts on this? Seems like a good idea to me .....
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:57 PM
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Hey guys, I am relativly new to headsup so still learning quite a bit.

Yesterday I ran into an opponent that pretty much called almost every time I opened 3x. I realize this is a pretty good scenario for me, but I was thinking it might be better if I instead opened 3.5x or 4x so that I might get some free money from more blinds steals while at the same time inflating the pot even more for him when he is OOP.

Also, I would have an easier time getting 100bb in against him with the slightly bigger initial pot. SINCE even POT pot pot doesn't get the opponent AI when I open 3x in a 100bb situation.

Any thoughts on this? Seems like a good idea to me .....

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Heh, I'm going to talk a little about this in my next 2+2 article.

You're thinking useful things here. A lot of regulars overpot it when reraising.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: HU cash - theory post (raising more then 3x from button)

when people dont fold to my preflop raises i dont raise by a bigger amount, i just raise fewer hands, and see if i can get away with some limping.

that being said, i think raising more than 3x could be good as long as he is not smart enough to start exploiting you.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: HU cash - theory post (raising more then 3x from button)

If they call to often, i limp more, if they fold too often I raise more and I start 3betting them like crazy.


When i come across these guys that overpot preflop, I just assume they are inexperienced regs who cant take it when their AK loses to 76s.

All in all, i feel if they are calling too much, howo much more FE is 1bb going to have? What it is going to do is bloat the pot against someone who calls too much, making bluffs more costly and so on and of course vice versa when it comes to value.

There definately is a way to play that way and max EV. It would probably be limping with weaker holdings, and overpotting your premiums so you can get huge value out of them. You also have to basically quit bluffing. Only problem is it will be incredibly easy to exploit.


what really tilts me is those guys that pot every single street.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:59 PM
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You should raise with your good hands as much as they are willing to call . Since you have position , then you should be raising with slightly more than half of your hands . I would consider limping otb with speculative hands if he checks his big blind with regularity . Otherwise , it's a good strategy to raise more than 3x the big blind if he's calling with junk and you hold a better than average hand .
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:12 PM
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what really tilts me is those guys that pot every single street.

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1) go play on a site with no betpot button then . . .
2) Why would that tilt you? it is simultaneously not stupid enough to be annoying, and exploitable enough to trigger feelings of "ooh an edge vs this guy!"
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:16 PM
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what really tilts me is those guys that pot every single street.

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1) go play on a site with no betpot button then . . .
2) Why would that tilt you? it is simultaneously not stupid enough to be annoying, and exploitable enough to trigger feelings of "ooh an edge vs this guy!"

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you are right. I just dont like the variance of playing these guys, and ive been getting cold decked for the past week so I havn't really been able to feel good about getting it in against these guys veyr often.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:31 PM
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OverAchiever, what limits are you playing? Personally I am playing stakes that simply do not give me many matches against players that would let me use this strategy optimally. If I do come across one I usually go about the situation a bit differently.

But make sure you\'re not trying to get more value out of hands than you should, sometimes getting greedy can be killer.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: HU cash - theory post (raising more then 3x from button)

creed,

will u be talking about your thoughts on 3-betting sizes in your new article?
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:19 AM
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creed,

will u be talking about your thoughts on 3-betting sizes in your new article?

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yep.
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