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Old 11-30-2007, 06:34 PM
therealpk therealpk is offline
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

i say fold; you have 1 pair, and it's not the best hand, especially considering he donk/3 bets you.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

nitty villains dont make a lot of moves postflop am i right?
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

Not a lot of moves but will easily get it in here with QQ or KK
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

why did you raise the flop
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

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why did you raise the flop

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to charge draws, if I think I'm playing against a villain who will 3-bet ai w/ draws I'm probably just flatting here though.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

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why did you raise the flop

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to charge draws, if I think I'm playing against a villain who will 3-bet ai w/ draws I'm probably just flatting here though.

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then since you dont think hes capabe of 3b shoving draws, this is obviously a snap fold

edit: you're not op, nm
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

lolololol did you guys see my BBV hand??? Villain was the same villain from this hand. Fold as played. This is a hand vs. him from today.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $136.80
Hero (CO): $480.50
BTN: $88.90
SB: $122
BB: $252.40

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN calls $8, SB folds, BB calls $6

Flop: ($25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $55</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $244.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $189.40

Turn: ($513.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($513.80) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $513.80 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero mucked A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$252.40 NET)
BB showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Fives full of Fours) and WON $511.80 (+$259.40 NET)
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

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lolololol did you guys see my BBV hand??? Villain was the same villain from this hand. Fold as played. This is a hand vs. him from today.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $136.80
Hero (CO): $480.50
BTN: $88.90
SB: $122
BB: $252.40

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, BTN calls $8, SB folds, BB calls $6

Flop: ($25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $55</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $244.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $189.40

Turn: ($513.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($513.80) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $513.80 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero mucked A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$252.40 NET)
BB showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Fives full of Fours) and WON $511.80 (+$259.40 NET)

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I don't recall ever claiming that he would not play a set this way, lol.

He had the top of his range in this hand. How exactly does this prove that this is sets are the ONLY hands in his range?

OF COURSE he shows up with 33-55 sometimes. What's your point?

If he's not retarded he plays the NFD the same way he plays a set.
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

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If you are folding AA here i want you all at my table... villain never has KK-TT here?


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KK seems unlikely -- wouldn't the nit have 3bet oop?

TT also seems like a serious stretch, considering the flop action, doesn't it?


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Why is TT a stretch? It's clearly way ahead of a Tag's opening + c-betting range, and the board is drawy. Why not c/r there?


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Yeah, I think it's possible. I'd just give it much less weight than other holdings (sets, strong draws) so I wouldn't go by pokerstove results necessarily. The same goes for KK IMO.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA with coldcalling small blind => time to lay`em down ?

push the flop.. on a draw heavy board like that- you cant fold. this does look like a set. a nit isn't likely to be cold calling out of the SB with connectors.. but any overpair is also part of his range there.. you still have ~23% equity against a set; anything else you have him crushed.
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