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Old 11-28-2007, 10:20 PM
Poopy_Pants Poopy_Pants is offline
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

im 75% sure its collusion. all you can do is not play them. spicolli rings a bell....
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

here is the hand in question, if u look at it u can see why me and stevesbets thought it was suspicious, what are your guys opinions, by the way after talking to caddy i believe he didnt collude and was just playin too many tables and possibly misread his hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #4322884644: Table Mescal (6 max) - $200/$400 - Limit Omaha H/L - 5:32:29 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: BigBadMomma69 ($25,435.50)
Seat 2: flops of glory ($8,000), is sitting out
Seat 3: FakeSky ($7,500)
Seat 4: loveyoutoo ($27,059.50)
Seat 5: stevesbets ($16,682)
Seat 6: tommyboy83 ($14,236)
BigBadMomma69 posts the small blind of $100
FakeSky posts the big blind of $200
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tommyboy83 [Ac 3s Kh Jc]
loveyoutoo raises to $400
stevesbets calls $400
tommyboy83 calls $400
flops of glory stands up
BigBadMomma69 raises to $600
FakeSky folds
loveyoutoo raises to $800
stevesbets calls $400
tommyboy83 calls $400
BigBadMomma69 calls $200
*** FLOP *** [5d Tc 8d]
BigBadMomma69 bets $200
loveyoutoo raises to $400
stevesbets calls $400
tommyboy83 folds
BigBadMomma69 raises to $600
loveyoutoo raises to $800
stevesbets calls $400
BigBadMomma69 calls $200
*** TURN *** [5d Tc 8d] [7c]
BigBadMomma69 checks
loveyoutoo bets $400
stevesbets raises to $800
BigBadMomma69 raises to $1,200
loveyoutoo raises to $1,600
stevesbets calls $800
BigBadMomma69 calls $400
*** RIVER *** [5d Tc 8d 7c] [Jd]
BigBadMomma69 bets $400
loveyoutoo raises to $800
stevesbets calls $800
BigBadMomma69 folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
loveyoutoo shows [Ad As Ah 3d] a flush, Ace high, for high and 8,7,5,3,A, for low
stevesbets mucks
loveyoutoo wins the high pot ($6,298.50) with a flush, Ace high
loveyoutoo wins the low pot ($6,298.50) with 8,7,5,3,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12,600 | Rake $3
Board: [5d Tc 8d 7c Jd]
Seat 1: BigBadMomma69 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: flops of glory is sitting out
Seat 3: FakeSky (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: loveyoutoo showed [Ad As Ah 3d] and won ($12,597) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,7,5,3,A
Seat 5: stevesbets mucked [8c 6d 4d Qc] - HI: a flush, Jack high; LO: 8,7,6,5,4
Seat 6: tommyboy83 (button) folded on the Flop


another thing to note the reason i originally thought some collussion to go by is you can see i had the last ace in my hand, and the other 3 were in loveyoutoo's so the 3 bet preflop was another somewhat suspicious spot
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

wow my god, that hand looks sooooo suspicious. now i can see why u guys called him out that just doesn't even make sense.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

a. im confused by what stevesbets had...

b. that hand is somewhat shady and collusion in O8 is much more rampant than in holdem games. him folding on the river is pretty shady IMO, but im not sure id go all out accusing him or anything.

edit to add that ive played caddy heads up before for a significant number of hands and from what he said he seemed like a pretty stand up guy... obviously probably doesnt mean much but still...
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:29 AM
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lol at Stevebets hand
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:09 AM
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lol at Stevebets hand

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but he was double sooooooted
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

the fact that the alleged colluder is urging him to email support makes me think he's legit. If you had colluded a lot, wouldn't you want to discourage an investigation?
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:43 AM
Micturition Man Micturition Man is offline
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

I think it's funny how big a point people are making of the river fold facing one bet.

To someone like stevebets it's inconceivable that you can lay down the 3rd flush for one bet in a big pot, even though given that action no sane player would raise river without it given Caddy's preflop and turn action...

Also people are very mentally lazy when it comes to allegations of collusion. Sure this hand looks strange, because it is strange.

But how does this strangeness suggest collusion?

Either you think they were trying to jam steve out or they were trying to extract value from him.

If it's jamming him out, what hand are they trying to get steve off? (Especially since steve doesn't have a fold button.)

If they're jamming him in, why would they think they have > 66% equity between them when one guy has unimproved AA, A3, and nfd and the other would in theory have little or nothing extra.

Or maybe you think the collusion just comes in in saving one bet on the river but otherwise playing your hand straightforwardly...

It's not collusion give me a break.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Stevesbets and Tommyboy accuse MadCaddy of cheating (TL;DR)

They don't only need X>66% equity because of fold equity. And there perceived fold equity certainly is higher due to the fact that someone holds AAA in their hand.

Undoubtedly this could be coincidence, but surely your claim that it CANNOT be collusion is assailable.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:13 AM
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lol at Stevebets hand

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