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Old 11-27-2007, 04:36 AM
iMsoLucky0 iMsoLucky0 is offline
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Default I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

This is a concept I've been thinking about a ton recently and reading this thread I saw these two posts which confirm my suspicions that I am not alone.

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I call but would be in the mildly to moderately surprised camp if I was good.

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-Adanthar

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I...

1) Don't see how you can fold
2) Don't see how he's showing you a hand you're beating

Somehow that makes sense to me...

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-s33w33d


I know that these kinds of thoughts go through my head fairly often when playing and it seems almost invariably when I think them I'll end up calling and being shown a winner. I guess it comes down to your instincts and listening to them. My problem is that I'm more apt to listen to my instincts when they say "he wouldn't do this with a hand that beats you, call" than when they say "he wouldn't do this with a hand you beat, fold", and the real trouble happens when my brain says both of these things at once.

So I guess my question is how do we combat this problem? Is there some way to focus in on your instincts and make sure you are listening to them for the right reasons? I know that perfect poker isn't possible and that your instincts can't be right all the time, but how do we balance our instincts with our brain and not spew? These probably aren't the right questions to ask but I'm sure this is a concept that plagues all poker players at one time or another so let's see where this discussion goes...
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:39 AM
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Default Re: I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

I just call and smoke a bowl if I'm beat
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:55 AM
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Default Re: I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

I love when hands like that fold, as I am getting ready to make a crying call I life my two cards inbetween my right index finger and middle finger while using my left hand to throw in the chips attempting to instafold when they table thier hand. Then I move on and laugh at how bad they are regardless of them winning the hand
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:57 AM
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Default Re: I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

Did you type that out in spanish and use an online translator shaun?
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:58 AM
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Did you type that out in spanish and use an online translator shaun?

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hahahah
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

The best is once in a blue moon when you're actually ahead and they're just uber-donk.

But then you wonder who's more retarded you or them, maybe they were pulling the sickest bluff ever but we were so retarded we still called but happened to win.

It's mind-boggling.

EDIT: There was a time I did something like this as a bluff. It wasn't actually as a bluff, it was more of a "[censored] THIS [censored] I GIVE UP" and I shoved on the river and dude folded getting some ridiculous price.

He was probably having one of those "I know I have to beat" moments and actually managed to fold, boy was he wrong LOL

Guess my point is, that's why we always call, because SOMETIMES we win [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Plus, it's always good to feel "right" even if you lose, "I knew I was beat!"
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:35 AM
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Plus, it's always good to feel "right" even if you lose, "I knew I was beat!"

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This is exactly the problem! How do we learn to trust ourself enough to fold when we 'know we are beat'?
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:45 AM
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Plus, it's always good to feel "right" even if you lose, "I knew I was beat!"

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This is exactly the problem! How do we learn to trust ourself enough to fold when we 'know we are beat'? [/quote

you can't make a sick read if you don't call to make sure it was right obv.]
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:50 AM
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At a risk of de-railing the thread: Go Rashard!
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:53 AM
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Default Re: I know I\'m beat... I call?!?

If you play volume online, keep a log of these situations over a week or so and then review it.

The issue is how many of the times our 'gut' is actually correct, rather than just memorably correct.

The Nguyen hand is a little different. If he's good, then we are never ahead here because a T is such a large part of our range and nothing else should play like we have and call a river raise. It's not really about instinct, unless we feel that there is something in our demeanour as we bet that has persuaded Nguyen to make a move.
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