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07-11-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Is religion harmful?
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Religion merely consists of the wisdom of its time. It has been superceeded. [/ QUOTE ] How can wisdom about agriculture supersede wisdom about morality or eternal life? 
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#53
07-11-2007, 11:29 AM
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Modern farming has superseded medival agricultural wisdom. Modern science has superseded ancient religious beliefs. Modern moral thought has superseded biblical hand-me-downs. [/ QUOTE ] What medieval agricultural wisdom in the Bible? What Bible beliefs has science superseded? I know your reference to modern morality is just funnin, right?
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#54
07-11-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: Is religion harmful?
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[ QUOTE ] Religion merely consists of the wisdom of its time. It has been superceeded. [/ QUOTE ] How can wisdom about agriculture supersede wisdom about morality or eternal life? [/ QUOTE ] Man I hate the word "wisdom" because people toss it around way too casually. There's nothing particularly wise about 99% of what most religions have to say about "eternal life". Morality can be debated.
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#55
07-11-2007, 03:37 PM
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I know your reference to modern morality is just funnin, right? [/ QUOTE ] Law = modern morality. The delusionist in you wants to believe that without a scripture, every person on the globe consequently believes it is okay to kill thy neighbor. Every actualization of democracy has proven that this is not the case. Further, and most importantly, law allows for adaptation to the dynamics of a social environment. [ QUOTE ] What Bible beliefs has science superseded? [/ QUOTE ] I'll start the list with #1, but I'd like to get everyone involved. Please add on your own. 1. Heliocentricity
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#56
07-11-2007, 03:43 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I know your reference to modern morality is just funnin, right? [/ QUOTE ] Law = modern morality. [/ QUOTE ] I don't like calling law and morality synonymous. However, modern coded law has certainly superceeded ancient morality codes.
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#57
07-11-2007, 03:44 PM
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[ QUOTE ] What Bible beliefs has science superseded? [/ QUOTE ] I'll start the list with #1, but I'd like to get everyone involved. Please add on your own. 1. Heliocentricity [/ QUOTE ] This could be fun ... 2. Genesis 3. Exodus
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#58
07-11-2007, 04:00 PM
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Re: Is religion harmful?
I agree with Gould's separate magisterial concept. The problem is we have scientists like Dawkins who think their knowledge of biology makes them qualified philosophers, which is not the case. True religion and true science don't quarrel.
Your criticism of organizational hierarchy applies just as well to science as it does to religion. Scientists want recognition, power and glory as much as anyone else.
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#59
07-11-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: Is religion harmful?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What Bible beliefs has science superseded? [/ QUOTE ] I'll start the list with #1, but I'd like to get everyone involved. Please add on your own. 1. Heliocentricity [/ QUOTE ] This could be fun ... 2. Genesis 3. Exodus [/ QUOTE ] http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/bepart13.html (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Bible) http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm
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#60
07-11-2007, 05:12 PM
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The delusionist in you wants to believe that without a scripture, every person on the globe consequently believes it is okay to kill thy neighbor. [/ QUOTE ] No, the realist in me recognizes that without an absolute reference point no person on the globe can justify the precept that it isn't okay to kill just anyone you please, a precept more easily recognized in earlier times than in today's society which seems to think the precept that something that can be true for me but not for you doesn't at least logically remove any reasonable objection to murder. [ QUOTE ] Further, and most importantly, law allows for adaptation to the dynamics of a social environment. [/ QUOTE ] The Nazis dynamically adapted to their social environment though law in a way that isn't very acceptable to most - but, hey, it was true for them. [ QUOTE ] 1. Heliocentricity [/ QUOTE ] Chapter and verse, please.
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