25NL Really tough spot! - Page 2

Waingro · #11 09-25-2007, 05:56 AM

I would push. I would have to be pretty convinced that villain never calls pf with something other than pps to do something else. The looser the villain is pf the more combos of hands makes crappy 2pairs or good looking draws like the nfd. I would be surprised if even a tight villain doesn´t consider the nfd a monster on this board.

AAmucked · #12 09-25-2007, 06:05 AM

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I would push. I would have to be pretty convinced that villain never calls pf with something other than pps to do something else. The looser the villain is pf the more combos of hands makes crappy 2pairs or good looking draws like the nfd. I would be surprised if even a tight villain doesn´t consider the nfd a monster on this board.

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Villain can't have the NF club draw because hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and how villain could show up with a Khxh combo on the turn is beyond me

ama0330 · #13 09-25-2007, 06:28 AM

Fold preflop. Bet more on the flop, and as played I probably end up going broke here as he plays so many other aces this way. With 200bb I might just call and see a river but its pretty difficult to put him on a really huge hand here

bozzer · #14 09-25-2007, 06:58 AM

you are probably ahead of his range, but does he stack off with worse? tough spot.

YesMehFriend · #15 09-25-2007, 07:10 AM

I dont fold to his raise. He could play 45 or a set this way, but a weaker A or 2p is a lot more likely imo. His line is strong but your bets are weak (bet more on every street imo). So I'd either go with calling turn and river or getting it in on the turn. Since he won't play to many draws this way I guess we can just call the turn with position.
And I fold this pf esp. with no reads.

Waingro · #16 09-25-2007, 08:42 AM

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I would push. I would have to be pretty convinced that villain never calls pf with something other than pps to do something else. The looser the villain is pf the more combos of hands makes crappy 2pairs or good looking draws like the nfd. I would be surprised if even a tight villain doesn´t consider the nfd a monster on this board.

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Villain can't have the NF club draw because hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and how villain could show up with a Khxh combo on the turn is beyond me

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Oops! Looks like today is crappy posts day.

terencetsao · #17 09-25-2007, 01:24 PM

ya, your turn bet is way too weak for him to bluff raise you.
Id like to call the raise and eveluate on the river.

bigjared · #18 09-25-2007, 05:07 PM

Wow, thank you all for the replies. I'm glad to see that I was right to think this was a tough spot. To me it was a push or fold decision, either he had a set/45 or not. I decided to fold because I could not see him calling preflop or on the flop with any other 2 pair type hand, and both showdowns I saw of his were a set and a straight.. all be it he chased for the straight. That led me to think that he would chase with a flush draw and not semi bluff with it and that I had to be behind on the turn.

My bets were around 2/3 of the pot, are they really that TOO weak?

Eric Yang · #19 09-25-2007, 05:25 PM

call then reeval i would say. especially because you're in position.

Jouster777 · #20 09-25-2007, 05:27 PM

11 combos we lose to vs. 18 we beat:

there are 11 reasonable combos here for villain that beat us: 22, 33, TT, 45s

If we are including 45s then we should also include A2s and A3s. I think given the weak flop bet these hands are still in play as is AK...giving 18 combos we beat.

What makes it close is he can get away from AK. I probably push turn but might call and let him bet again on the river.