5-table Turbos

[Alex_Rules]

I've been playing 6.50 18 player turbos on stars for some time, running at 27% over 500+. I started to run cold for a while, reviewed my hands, and then decided maybe I should try adding a couple 5-tables into my sessions of 2-tables. After playing just a few I noticed the players in these are considerably worse than in the 2-tables, or in any other game I've ever played online. Today I played 35 of those five-tables, and, although my results weren't great (too small sample size) I do believe that this is the worst field on all of stars.

I am wondering if people think there is maybe more value in these five-tables because of the bad fields even though the blinds can be pretty large by the end of the tournaments. What ROI should I expect from these (I want to say close to 50% is sustainable). Does anyone else multitable these? General Thoughts?

Thanks,
Alex

[GARDOCK]

the 45 person turbos are known to be one of the softest sngs on stars. even as high as the 60s the play isn't great. Suggestions to most new players building rolls are the 3 dollar 45 mans. I think 50 percent is def sustainable, but as you probably know the more players the larger the variance, so don't be surprised with long breakeven or losing stretches. The large blinds although increase the luck factor, can be exploited as well. Best of luck to you, it seems like you've learned from one of the best.

[bogey1]

The 45-player, $60s seem to be a crapshoot. Play isn't good early, but you'll be at all-in push/fold mode with M's of 4-8 with still 20-25 players left.

Shove-festing with 1/2 the field still in the game leads to monster variance.

FWIW. To test some timing considerations, I entered a couple $3 45-man turbos and simply folded every single hand. I placed 13th and 15th respectively. They were insanely wild.

Simply folding every hand at the $60's probably won't even get you into the top 25. People aren't nearly as bad. I've sharkscoped a lot of the FT players on them and I haven't seen anyone that maintains >15% ROI over the long run at the 60's.

[Alex_Rules]

Of course 60s are going to be tougher than 3s and 6s. I'm still curious what a good goal ROI is in these 5 tables. Probably need a sample of at least 500 to make any judgements, but I would like to know what to aim for, and I personally have no clue (I guessed 50% but that's just by feel not by any real logic).

[bogey1]

At the $3-6 range, I wouldn't be suprised if a really good player could manage 50% or even 100% ROI. People make enough mistakes early that your skill edge in the early levels can reap monster rewards and set you up for a good shot in shove/fold mode.

[GARDOCK]

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At the $3-6 range, I wouldn't be suprised if a really good player could manage 50% or even 100% ROI. People make enough mistakes early that your skill edge in the early levels can reap monster rewards and set you up for a good shot in shove/fold mode.

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[AMT]

a) no conclusive info on attainable or solid 45 man ROIs
b) any sngs at the 1-6 levels are going to be very beatable. 9 man, 18 man, 45 man, 180 million man.
c) in my experience variance is heavier in the 45s than the single tables, and this alone is pretty disheartening to play them in volume.

[cha59]

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c) in my experience variance is heavier in the 45s than the single tables, and this alone is pretty disheartening to play them in volume.

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theyre so fun when you win, theyre addicting.... then you go 20 games or more without cashing and they suck.

[Zefa]

837 games played at 6.50$ at 28% ROI
740 games played at 11$ at 20% ROI
147 games played at 27$ at 38% ROI

My biggest downswing in the 6$ ones has been 200$ through 35 games

My biggest downswing in the 11$ ones has been 450$ through 50 games

Be prepared for some nasty downswings if you play these. I play these about 20-28 at a time so I don't really feel the downswings over long time periods. I don't even think I play these optimally and I still make a profit.

[Alex_Rules]

do you think 28% is a good mark at 6.50$? I was hoping to achieve something much higher than that, as I really think 50 or even higher is possible. I was playing sessions of 15-20, and have already had the swings of thinking I'm going to 0fer, to winding up with a very positive session. However I feel like I can play close to if not above 28% in the 6.50 two tables, and they take less time.