QQ vs. Cold 4bet

[jk3a]

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so if he checks flop are we betting ??? cause he may be just going for a c/r then we are definitely committed

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We are definitely committed IF we call pf AND get a good flop.

[myke11]

if he ever bluffs shoving is correct... im shoving

[sightless]

is folding bad?

[jk3a]

319*.4 + .6*-229 = -9.8

x(90) + (1-x)(-9.8) = 0
x = ~10%

means he has to be bluffing > 10% to make shoving +EV.

If he's bluffing 20% of the time here, we stand to net ~$18 in EV.




I wish I could do a reasonable EV calculation for calling, but there are so many factors that I think it would be rather difficult.

[nazahl]

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319*.4 + .6*-229 = -9.8


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whered u get the 40% and 60%?

[jk3a]

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319*.4 + .6*-229 = -9.8


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whered u get the 40% and 60%?

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 172384116 626394.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 114030168 626394.00 { QQ }

[fees]

into the green stuff you go

[Dire]

I don't really like calling. I don't think it looks particularly strong. Not many people are just going to call with AA/KK here when they can get all the money in 99% of the time without having to deal with a flop. I think calling looks almost exactly like QQ.

I'd shove or fold. Given you said you're 19/15 and being 4-bet by a 25/16 with no recent history, I'd just fold.

[Novles]

looks like a pretty easy fold tbh

[ofishstix]

i def thought i had a terrible table image among 2p2ers. with qq in his spot where tag opens, i (a tag 3 bet), and another tag 4bets all in co/blinds, i think this is crap often enough.

reading this though, i dont know whether i like a shove or a call and get it in on almost every flop.