Both NL and Limit stats: can anyone help?

[Riina]

I don't know wether this is the appropiate forum, but i'm trying to use PokerEV, and don't know what conclusions can be drawn from my graphs. I play both Limit, NL and lately a lot of limit again. I don't play that much so my entire database consists of only 60k hands. Now my limit graph really seems to suck, wich i see as my best game 'overall', and my NL-graph ain't great either wich i find to be my best game IF i can play at my best focus. I don't think any hard conclusions can be drawn from just 60k of hands, but still any input or thoughts are appreciated....

first LIMIT (graph)


LIMIT-stats


then NL-graph


NL-stats


If additional info is needed, please state and ill add it later. Any help appreciated, thanks

[fabadam]

It's difficult to read these things without having any knowledge of your game, but I'll try:
You lose an enormous amount of money on hands not going to showdown, so it looks like you are (1) folding a lot of winners/best hands and/ or (2) unable to push other people of hands.

Also, your Sklansky graph is very positive: from this graph you look like a weak-tight fit or fold type.

Furthermore, the ratio of $/BB differs a lot between the various lines, so it looks like there are a few small shots at a higher level that distort the $ view.

I've only used the PokerEV software for NL, and in my graph, the green line was a lot above the red and blue lines -- purely the result of picking up a lot of blind steals and small pots on continuation bets I think, plus some successful bluffing.

[Riina]

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It's difficult to read these things without having any knowledge of your game, but I'll try:
You lose an enormous amount of money on hands not going to showdown, so it looks like you are (1) folding a lot of winners/best hands and/ or (2) unable to push other people of hands.

Also, your Sklansky graph is very positive: from this graph you look like a weak-tight fit or fold type.

Furthermore, the ratio of $/BB differs a lot between the various lines, so it looks like there are a few small shots at a higher level that distort the $ view.

I've only used the PokerEV software for NL, and in my graph, the green line was a lot above the red and blue lines -- purely the result of picking up a lot of blind steals and small pots on continuation bets I think, plus some successful bluffing.

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thank you for your reply [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Are there any PT-stats i could accomadate this post with that would shed some more light on the possible leaks you state?

[fabadam]

I think the standard set would help some:
* VPIP/PFR/AF by street (also, maybe, fold to bet percentages)
* WtSD/W$SD plus Won $ When Saw Flop (W$WSF)

These figures might disprove my guesses, or it may strengthen the proof.

[Riina]

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I think the standard set would help some:
* VPIP/PFR/AF by street (also, maybe, fold to bet percentages)
* WtSD/W$SD plus Won $ When Saw Flop (W$WSF)

These figures might disprove my guesses, or it may strengthen the proof.

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Okay, just to make sure there is all there is needed, i give you the complete detailed stats. I filtered on > or equal than 4 players, and less than 4 players, to not have any sketched numbers because of a lot of 3-handed play. So check em out,

> OR EQUAL THAN 4:


< THAN 4


thanks for the help so far,

edit: these are limit stats, i'll just leave the NLpart for now...

[fabadam]

Hmm, that looks normal enough, certainly disproves my earlier conclusion. I'll have to let PokerEV make a graph of my limit hands to see how it comes out.
WtSD/W$SD looks more like it's too high actually, though this may well be OK in very aggressive short-handed limit games.

For NL, your W$WSF should be close to 50% as well, I think, with WtSD/W$SD nearish 20-25/45-55 (this is educated guesswork mostly, I have had W%SD of 40% at some massive winning sessions.

I also vaguely recall Phil (PokerEV software author) saying something about it not being very useful for limit, but I don't recall why.

[Riina]

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Hmm, that looks normal enough, certainly disproves my earlier conclusion. I'll have to let PokerEV make a graph of my limit hands to see how it comes out.
WtSD/W$SD looks more like it's too high actually, though this may well be OK in very aggressive short-handed limit games.

For NL, your W$WSF should be close to 50% as well, I think, with WtSD/W$SD nearish 20-25/45-55 (this is educated guesswork mostly, I have had W%SD of 40% at some massive winning sessions.

I also vaguely recall Phil (PokerEV software author) saying something about it not being very useful for limit, but I don't recall why.

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Okay bedankt [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] (zag je lokatie eerder niet)

Still if you or anyone else can hypothesise some leaks based on the data above, i'd really like to hear it. Sure, i can see how variance can still play a big part in a sample size of 60k hands but it feels like wishful thinking when i say that. When i analyse my session, i find a good amount of mistakes, but overall i have the feeling i have developed a pretty decent style for the low-midstakes i play. I guess im a bit clueless by now, and my 370BB-downswing isn't helping either [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Victor]

pokerev sucks and is useless for evaluating your play.

unless you shortstack.

[Riina]

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pokerev sucks and is useless for evaluating your play.

unless you shortstack.

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hi victor,

mind to comment on my pt-stats then? I know you are quite the succesful limitplayer from these forums, so i'd very much appreciate any feedback...

ps. about pokerEV, fair enough i don't know much about the program yet. However, can you tell me in what way the red and the blue line are applicable. I was told they somewhat give you an answer to wether you are running bad or good. Nothing more, nothing less ; true? thanks in advance,

[Riina]

anybody? could really need use some insight from people knowing this PT-analysis stuff a lot better than me.. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]