Overcards in a raised pot

BrassMonkey · #1 10-05-2007, 03:55 AM

Don't really know villians' tendencies at all. Flop cold call okay? Call turn bet?

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Leader · #2 10-05-2007, 03:59 AM

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I just fold the flop too. RIO and you're no close to closing the action here.

mvoss · #3 10-05-2007, 04:01 AM

I 3-bet preflop, the hand plays differently from there. Getting 5.5-1 not closing the action and not knowing when my OC's are good I think I fold the flop.

Oink · #4 10-05-2007, 04:23 AM

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I just fold the flop too. RIO and you're no close to closing the action here.

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inferno · #5 10-05-2007, 05:02 AM

its a easy call for one bet on the flop but 2cold you have to lay it down

Olrik · #6 10-05-2007, 06:15 AM

very easy fold on the flop. 3bet preflop depends on the utg raising range i guess.

SuperUberBob · #7 10-05-2007, 03:26 PM

3-bet pre.

As played, you can't cold call two bets on this flop. 3-bet or fold, and I'd lean way more towards folding.

TheHip41 · #8 10-05-2007, 03:34 PM

easy flop fold.

pf just depends on the table/opponents

emerson · #9 10-05-2007, 05:08 PM

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very easy fold on the flop. 3bet preflop depends on the utg raising range i guess.

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I have to disagree there. With two overcards, the gut shot, and the backdoor flush draw, you have about 6 to 7 adjusted outs. To call two small bets here you need an expected final pot size of only about 7 big bets (not counting your current bet and your future action). I think it will be there easy. There are 5.5 BBs in there right now. You should see the turn and fold without improvement.

I disagree with the poster who suggested a 3 bet preflop. This would be the correct play with only the raiser in the pot, but not with a raiser and a caller. AQ should only raise when the pot can be limited to a very small number of players (Sklansky).

MikeyObviously · #10 10-05-2007, 06:05 PM

I completely disagree.

Unless the UTG raiser is like one of those 50/1/.5 gems, it is an easy 3 bet.