How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)

[zepthiir]

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Doctor amputates your left leg instead of removing your third nipple and his insurance pays the settlement and he keeps on doing operating. When was the last time you heard of an airline pilot having to reimburse everyone for an airplane crash?


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Your analogy is flawed, in the case of the doctor it most certainly IS the doctor who is accountable and required to pay any compensation. The fact he has insurance and makes a claim to them to cover that compensation is irrelevant because if he had no insurance he would be paying out of his own pocket.

Exactly how many jobs out there are there where nobody makes a mistake. or where if you make a mistake your pay is docked.

Doctor amputates your left leg instead of removing your third nipple and his insurance pays the settlement and he keeps on doing operating. When was the last time you heard of an airline pilot having to reimburse everyone for an airplane crash?

This dealer made a mistake, which was as likely to help you as it was to hurt you and you want him to be paying yopu back because you ended up losing the hand?

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[grando]

whoever says they wouldn't be pissed off is lying

[Willy]

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whoever says they wouldn't be pissed off is lying

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This is totally untrue.

[jjshabado]

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whoever says they wouldn't be pissed off is lying

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This is totally untrue.

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I think its true. Of course I'd be pissed off, I just lost $1800. I know I'd have to stand up and take a walk around the casino for an orbit or two, but I wouldn't take it out on the dealer because I'm quite willing to accept that mistakes happen. I'm also aware that these types of mistakes will even out in the long run.

If its a chronic problem I'd be much less forgiving and that dealer probably wouldn't get tipped from me for awhile.

[SeeYouSoon]

As stated previously multiple times, this post would not exist if you were the one that won the $1800 pot.

[bav]

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whoever says they wouldn't be pissed off is lying

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This is totally untrue.

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I'm convinced that most dealers feel worse about mistakes like this than I do. When a dealer (particularly one I know reasonably well) has an oops like this and it costs me a pot, they usually get a whipped puppydog look and can't express how sorry they are adamantly enough.

Yeah, I sometimes have that instantaneous "crap that cost me" response but in seconds I remember "next time it'll work out the other way--it all evens out in the end" and I'm over it.

Dealers certainly can do things that can keep me annoyed for a while. Attitude problems, say, like actually REFUSING to call the floor proclaiming "I know the rule, we don't need the floor" and then doing something irreversible and wrong that gives an opponent an edge.

But honest oopses I can shed from my mind pretty quickly.
Anybody who thinks everybody will be pissed over such a thing is suffering from empathic failure.

[kailua]

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whoever says they wouldn't be pissed off is lying

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This is totally untrue.

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Anybody who thinks everybody will be pissed over such a thing is suffering from empathic failure.

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nicely said

[doucy]

OP,

Better dealers deserve better tips. If a dealer makes mistakes, he deserves less tips. So by making this mistake, you are certinaly justified in withholding some tips from the dealers.

However, the fact that you lost $1800 should have no bearing on your withholding tips. If you lost $1 or you lost $1,000,000; it doesn't matter. The dealer made a mistake. Decide how much the mistake is worth and punish the dealer accordingly.

Withholding $1800 in tips specifically because the dealer's mistake caused you to lose $1800 doesn't make any sense. Withholding $1800 because you feel the mistake is worth $1800, now that makes sense.

[kemystery]

in my local indian cardroom, a dealer made a $500 mistake in one of the NL games, and the player who was on the losing end told the General Manager of the cardroom he was going to report it to the gaming commission (exact same situation; dealer mistake, early burn and turn on river) and the Cardroom gave him his money back

I'd say you make an appointment with the GM of Poker/table games, tell them you plan to press the issue with the NVGC and would like to give them a chance to compensate you first

[AlienBoy]

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OP,

Better dealers deserve better tips. If a dealer makes mistakes, he deserves less tips. So by making this mistake, you are certinaly justified in withholding some tips from the dealers..

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QFT.

If the dealer made the mistake because they are not paying attention to the game, then withholding tips is perfectly fine.

The AMOUNT you withhold is something you might determine outside of the size of the loss that resulted from the error.


When a dealer is not paying attention and doing their job, they don't deserve a tip. Burning and turning before action is complete is one of the worst errors a dealer can make, not because it can cost you the pot, but because it means the dealer is NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

This deserves to be punished by withholding tips.

If you are playing TAG, you might win one or two hands each time a particular dealer is sitting at your table. Even if you withheld tips for a year, and the dealer was at your table once a day, you're still only talking a few hundred dollars.

If the dealer is having a bad day, and otherwise good, then withholding for a year is not justified - but withholding for a day probably is.

If the dealer is bad, and makes these mistakes often, then withhold tips forever, and this is perfectly fine.


AB