Middle Pair Turn Spot ($100 NL)

[CruNKinTILT]

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

I have not seen villain get out of hand, I've folded a few hands after cbetting lately.

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$35.80</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$116.85</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$101.85</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$139.50</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$93.70</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$100.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, SB calls $3, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $6</font>, Hero?

How often do you guys call here and how often do you guys raise here after checking this flop?

[pineapple888]

I call here very fast, because I am in position, and will usually be ahead.

Why not bet that flop?

[SluggishJ82]

Bet flop most of the time, theres some value to be had from underpairs etc. Turn is a pretty easy call given your flop check. Raising the turn would be horrendous.

[CruNKinTILT]

Why is raising the turn horrendous? I would think your can raise for protection vs a good part of his range (diamonds, straight draws) and you could even raise out of a few better 9's.

For those of you that call, are you calling a scare river card such as an overcard, straight card, or a diamond?

[pineapple888]

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Why is raising the turn horrendous? I would think your can raise for protection vs a good part of his range (diamonds, straight draws) and you could even raise out of a few better 9's.

For those of you that call, are you calling a scare river card such as an overcard, straight card, or a diamond?

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1.) Big pots for big hands. You don't have a big hand. Sometimes you just have to let Villain draw.

2.) Read-dependent.

[SluggishJ82]

Raising is horrendous because you lose the vast majority of the hands that you're beating and get called by the vast majority of the hands that have you whamboozled

[markuisis]

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Why is raising the turn horrendous? I would think your can raise for protection vs a good part of his range (diamonds, straight draws) and you could even raise out of a few better 9's.

For those of you that call, are you calling a scare river card such as an overcard, straight card, or a diamond?

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1.) Big pots for big hands. You don't have a big hand. Sometimes you just have to let Villain draw.

2.) Read-dependent.

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raising the turn is hardly building a big pot and u can easily fold if he 3bets. I like taking this line against simple players since I get value from draws and get a cheap showdown, it makes the hand a lot easier to play rather than playing the guessing game if he leads a bricked river.

[markuisis]

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Raising is horrendous because you lose the vast majority of the hands that you're beating and get called by the vast majority of the hands that have you whamboozled

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what vast majority of hands is this that is putting anymore money in the pot? If u wanna take this line to snap off a bluff - sure - i just dont like playing the guessing game here and rather put in a raise here that gets called by all his draws, folds out some better nines and gets a cheap showdown against a king. If he 3bets im done.

[pineapple888]

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Raising is horrendous because you lose the vast majority of the hands that you're beating and get called by the vast majority of the hands that have you whamboozled

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what vast majority of hands is this that is putting anymore money in the pot? If u wanna take this line to snap off a bluff - sure - i just dont like playing the guessing game here and rather put in a raise here that gets called by all his draws, folds out some better nines and gets a cheap showdown against a king. If he 3bets im done.

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Why do you think a draw is calling? Unless you price him in?

Meanwhile, poker is a game of imperfect information, if you don't like intelligent "guessing" you may want to find another way to spend your time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Chaos_ult]

Raising the turn turns your pair into a bluff imo.