ev on flips?

[Hebel]

you are on a 6 handed table. Everyone goes all in blind. Not counting rake, is the EV neutral?

[oyvindgee]

Of course

[barncat]

what he said

[GittyUP]

No Im lucky. Watch out

[Sevenfold]

Yes, going in blind everyone has the same odds---however...

If you are a solid winning player, and the other 5 players are, say, playing almost every hand anyway, you are risking a lot of variance for no gain.

So if by losing the all-in, you were forced to quit and go home, it would be -EV for you to do so, as you would be almost assured a profit by playing your normal game.

[jogsxyz]

Not always.

Cash game. 6 players with equal size stacks.
You're the big blind. Other 5 all in blind.

If you fold, you lose the big blind. Call
your EV is zero from the start of the hand.
Therefore the call is plus EV vs the fold.

SnG. You're the big blind. Other 5 all in blind.
If you fold you are guaranteed 2nd as long as
there is no split pot. Therefore folding is
best.

[oyvindgee]

[ QUOTE ]
Not always.

Cash game. 6 players with equal size stacks.
You're the big blind. Other 5 all in blind.

If you fold, you lose the big blind. Call
your EV is zero from the start of the hand.
Therefore the call is plus EV vs the fold.

SnG. You're the big blind. Other 5 all in blind.
If you fold you are guaranteed 2nd as long as
there is no split pot. Therefore folding is
best.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. If you can actually choose whether to call the all in after the others have pushed then it's hugely +EV. That is obv not the situation at hand.

[rufus]

It would be be better to say that the EV was zero (and the variance large). As people have pointed out, going all-in blind like that can be a bad move, or a good move if you're in the blinds.