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Old 11-20-2007, 06:53 PM
TPTK77 TPTK77 is offline
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Default 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

This is the 2nd hand of the session and I’m villain is an unknown. I was wondering what your play would be on the turn after he shoves into you. There were two things I took into consideration in this hand for my decision. 1) He led after I raised pf and called my raise when I flopped top pair. 2) He shoved in for a half stack on the turn.

Could his line be a flush draw, QT kind of hand or more towards KJ, 77,JJ.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $183.75
Hero (CO): $100
BTN: $149.20
SB: $48.15
BB: $97.60
UTG: $34.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls $10

Turn: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $30.65 and is All-In</font>
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

gross spot. id robably fold here since he led into us, called our raise, and shoved a blank turn. were only ahead of K10 or a wierd J.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

Snap-call. I never give these kind of players respect
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

seems like a hard laydown. let it go and get some more info on him before making a tough call like this.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

or if you assume no flushdraws or combo draws (which we are ahead of) then you have like 28% equity and i still call
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

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snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }

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that range is reaaaaaaaaaally wide considering we know nothing about him
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

yeah i think goldfish's range is too wide given hes an unknown. id want a little more info to decide hes doing this with a draw
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?

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Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?

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no stats, thats the point
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