JJ preflop situation 400NL

[Suwalski]

Button is 21/17/3 with an ATS of 36%
SB is sort of tight 19/15/3.5 with an FBB % of 80. I know he's in SB, but i believe it's a decent indicator for how well he defends his blind.


What it do with jacks?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $402.50
Hero (BB): $382.00
UTG: $1,161.20
CO: $819.40
BTN: $394.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $52.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $382.00</font>

Pot Size: $448.00

[nuggetz87]

[GotThePowR]

This is play is sux, he calls w QQ+ and fold anything else.. you will never be a favorit in this situation.
Reraise to 160, fold if he shoves.

[BobboFitos]

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well done

[yoshi86]

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This is play is sux, he calls w QQ+ and fold anything else.. you will never be a favorit in this situation.
Reraise to 160, fold if he shoves.

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160 &gt; call &gt; shove &gt; fold

[PartyScout]

I fold JJ here like 70% of time unless i feel there light i would call.

Pretty sikk play to shove over a 3bet with JJ and have a man behind in question also

[DaDizz]

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This is play is sux, he calls w QQ+ and fold anything else.. you will never be a favorit in this situation.
Reraise to 160, call if he shoves and suck out .

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[RikkiDee]

from my experience AK snap calls this preflop as well so it can't be that bad

[RiverHebrew2]

I'd think about 4bet to $145 and maybe fold to shove since at BEST you're in coinflip (to AK) or 4:1 underdog. This is a rele big shove and not 100% sure if I like it with just JJ vs TAGs.

[Dire]

From a philosophical point of view, 4-betting then folding is not good here. Given stack sizes, the 4-bet is almost never getting just called - they're folding or shoving. Your hand now plays identically to 22 or ATC for that matter. On the same note, 4-betting then calling results in an overall equity that would be near identical to doing it with 22, as you have similar expected equity against their presumed AK+/QQ+ ranges - and there's no reason to expect to see TT- here with any real frequency.

But of course there's a dichotomy as nobody would ever really suggest doing these sort of lines with 22, at least not as standard and for value - even though they have extremely similar expectations. So, aside from the issue that jacks look prettier than deuces, why would we play as such with jacks?